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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

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”When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,

Note: It is my belief that Jesus was teaching the disciples that the below is the fruit they are to bear:

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: The fruit we are to bear, that shines forth as light before men, giving glory to God our Father, is not what we do but rather the fruit is what we are in relationship to our brothers.

”A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
‭‭John‬ ‭13‬:‭34‬-‭35‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: This fruit is only produced through love! Our righteousness cannot exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees until we realize we are the righteousness of Christ.

”For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”“
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭19‬-‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: This is what those to whom Jesus would speak about, later in His discourse, did not understand when He said:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: Their reply was look at what we did …

”And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: the lawlessness they were practicing was the righteousness of the Pharisees. Self righteousness … He concludes His discourse with the following illustration, that I believe refers back to where he started in chapter five. “Blessed are …”, is the foundation for the rest of the discourse and is summed up below:

”“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭24‬-‭27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: I believe the cross of which He spoke about, that we should take up and bear, is one and the same as the yoke we are to take upon ourselves. The Giver of the law became the Fulfiller of the law that we, by His grace, can walk in faith, knowing all has been accomplished for us. His cross was one we could never carry, nor were we ever intended to carry, it was His and His alone. Our cross is to become the fruit produced by the cross He bore on behalf of the Father.

”Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭30‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: This is what I have received from Him as I have read your dialogue with others in this thread, and at least for now, is really all I have to say on the matter.

blessings …
Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.(Gal 3:24)

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
 
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Yes Indeed and let's see how we add to that belief in James 1: 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
doing the works of God..


Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
 
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It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
sinning is by doubting...



John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
 
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any other way of receiving the Spirit/love of God...



John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
 
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sinning is by doubting...



John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).
 
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A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).
I wonder if this youngster heard the Sermon on the Mount? Jesus elevated those commandments beyond the physical but drove them to the standard to which he held himself. How do you match up?

I think you neglected the pearl of truth Jesus left for the young man, but he indeed walked away because he could not bear the cost …

”The young man *said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” Jesus said to him “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Remember brother, break one and the whole house of self righteous cards falls.
This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words.
How is it going so far as you are, I am sure, ridding yourself of your possessions and selling them to give to the poor. Note how much Jesus gave up and see if you measure up to his level …

”Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.“
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift.
The free gift you are peddling doesn’t sound so free to me …
We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).
Hmmmmm, why did you leave off the divine operative part of this equation?

”for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.“
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

You see my brother, we are converted by grace which grants us faith … then we will be judged and rewarded, or not, by our works which God has ordained for us to fulfill.

”For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.“
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Obedience is a beautiful thing to God and benefits us greatly in our walk of sanctification. But our justification before God is found only in the faith of the ONLY ONE whose obedience the Father accepts.

Your salvation is secured in Christ my brother and sealed by the Holy Spirit. Our works reveal how deeply rooted, or shallow, our faith is in the work of His beloved Son, on the father’s behalf.

blessings,
 
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A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).
You seem to think any order at all is good order, but it is chaos.


This time, do not ignore what is shown to you, to all, because if you do I will return them to you.

Your two quotes of Matthew 19 and James 2, are included right here, and I am showing us all the meaning of them when placed TOGETHER.

Also first, I am answering again what you have turned away from, and you WILL NOT TURN AWAY FROM THE TESTIMONY, nor will anyone on this Christian forum.



To get at last a little foundation and structure, some stability, we remember what Jesus told us, WHY HE CAME TO THE EARTH, to set thee household against one another.

He says the purpose of this CLEARLY, it is regarding being WORTHY of Him, which is not loving father or mother more than Him, or son r daughter more than Him. ( which is the purpose He made, division in the household so some believe and others may not.)

After this, and it is AFTER, whoever then DOES NOT TAAKE THEIR CROSS, ( the ones who do not believe in those households do no take their cross) are NOT WORTHY OF HIM.

Jesus tells the SAME AGAIN, if they have lost their life, ( ONLY BY THE DIVISION THAT CHRIST CAME TO THE EARTH TO SET.) FOR HIS SAKE, they shall FIND IT. Likewise those who are not divided, not loving Christ more, and the divided ones less, NOT WORTHY OF HIM, have not taken their cross, NOT WORTHY OF HIM, they have found their life, they shall lose it. (NOT WORTHY OF HIM/ARE KNOWN TO HAVE DONE NONE OF WHAT IS FOR HIS SAKE.)

Next is the all important part, which you turned away from bro t.

Jesus began to SHOW HIS DISCIPLES, how He MUST GO TO JERUSALEM AND BE KILLED, AND BE RAISED AGAIN THE THIRD DAY.

Peter savoured the things of men, like this so called conversation on this thread, and tries to tell the Lord this shall not be unto Him.

But Christ turned and told Peter, GET BEHIND ME SATAN, you are an OFFENCE UNTO ME, for you SAVOUR THE THINGS THAAT BE OF MEN, NOT THE THINGS THAT BE OF GOD. (I had given bro t scripture about how to do the works of God BY BEIEF IN JESUS CHRIST, it is as the scripture verifies, by PERCEIVING THE LOVE OF GOD THAT HE LAYED HIS LIFE DOWN FOR US, so we should LAY OUR LIVES DOWN FOR THE BROTHERS.

Jesus then tells His DISCIPLES, if any man WILL COME AFTER HIM, let him DENY HIMSELF, and TAKE UP HIS CROSS, and FOLLOW HIM.

Jesus repeats again what He had told about HIs mission for the whole world, in Matthew 10:34-39, WHOSOEVER WILL SAVE HIS LIFE SHALL LOSE IT, and WHOSOEVER WILL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR CHRISTS'S SAKE, SHALL FIND IT.

These are the WORKS JESUS REWARDS US FOR, as Revelation 14:12 shows the FAITH OF JESUS, not as bro t or anyone else tries to IMPLY, but strictly as the Lord Jesus Christ HIMSELF TESTIFIED in THE GOSPEL. ( NO MAN HAS ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION or they preach ANOTHER JESUS/MANY FALSE PROPHETS/TEACHERS rise to DECEIVE MANY.)



Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.




I told bro t, if he did not understand, he had to return an answer that exceeded what I had shown.

Even his own quotes wont be accepted by him, I know because his answer did not exceed, yet he returned one and repeated what he had already given, as if it had weight to it.

Jesus OF COURSE REPEATS, what was ALREADY TOLD BY HIM, in BOTH Matthew 10, and Matthew 16. But bro t, or others, don't seem to recognise this ?

Jesus firstly is REVEALING that the RICH MAN, is made to be a SORROWFUL testimony, of one that wont be having any treasure in heaven, and wont COME AND FOLLOW CHRIST.

I included Mark 10:21, as this reveals both things Jesus has said in the PURPOSE why He came to the earth, for some to TAKE UP THE CROSS, and FOLLOW HIM. (the division in the households was made in all the earth BY HIS SWORD/OF HIS MOUTH/THE WORD..)

So the rich man went away, and could not have TREASURE IN HEAVEN.

But LOOK bro t, or anyone else, how CONVENIENT the other quote bro t had given, like giving commandments to do, did not SEE ? That the SAME CONTINUATION that Jesus has set forth, is SEEN RIGHT HERE IN JAMES 2, how these TESTIMONIES OF THE TRUTH, all speak to WHO GOD HAS CHOSEN, THE POOR, RICH IN FAITH. ( PROVING ALSO THE QUOTE OF REVELATION 14:12/THE FAITH OF JESUS, ARE THE SAME CHOSEN POOR, RICH IN FAITH.)

But these LAW KEEPER FALSE PROPHETS/COMMANDMENT FALSE TEACHERS, AMONG US, are the ones who have DESPISED THE POOR, as the RICH MEN BLASPHEME THAT WORTHY NAME BY WHICH WE ARE CALLED. (WHICH IS THE SAME EXAMPLE OF THE RICH YOUNG RULER IN MATTHEW 19.) and they being law teachers are the sinners who are CONVINCED OF THE LAW THEY TEACH as TRANSGRESSORS, AND ARE GUILTY OF ALL...



Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
 
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Obedience is a beautiful thing to God and benefits us greatly in our walk of sanctification. But our justification before God is found only in the faith of the ONLY ONE whose obedience the Father accepts.

Your salvation is secured in Christ my brother and sealed by the Holy Spirit. Our works reveal how deeply rooted, or shallow, our faith is in the work of His beloved Son, on the father’s behalf.

blessings,
All of that sounds nice, but it leaves out the crucial part, and is it why many seek to enter and few find the narrow straight path.

No salvation is secured or sealed, that would be a message many would hear and hold to, but it wont benefit those same many, AT ALL. MANY FALSE PROPHETS RISE TO DECEIVE MANY.)

We do not have a walk of sanctification, we are sanctified by belief that the Lord Jesus Christ offered Himself for us without spot or blemish, and the Father accepted HIs sacrifice for our sins, and in a conscience purified by believing, we are sanctified and justified.

That is the obedience the Father accepts, of our Lord Jesus Christ obedient unto death, because through that we both have life and obedience ourselves, in faith unto death.
 
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