Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

eleos1954 · Wednesday at 11:36 AM

Hentenza said:
I’ve had several people that keep the sabbath argue that the sabbath is a moral commandment, therefore, those that do not worship on Saturday are sinning and consequently living in sin. The poll is self explanatory. If you choose maybe please post why.

Be blessed.

7th Day Sabbath worship is our acknowledgement to God as Him being our creator and redeemer. It IS the 4th Commandment. What is sin? Transgression of the Law.

A future time will come when worshiping on Sunday will be considered idolatry, as God's true Sabbath day will be made clear as time goes on.

The consequences of not worshipping on the 7th day are delayed into the future

The conflict between Saturday and Sunday worship is viewed as a final test of allegiance to God versus to the human-made system.

Hentenza · Wednesday at 11:44 AM

eleos1954 said:
7th Day Sabbath worship is our acknowledgement to God as Him being our creator and redeemer. It IS the 4th Commandment. What is sin? Transgression of the Law.

A future time will come when worshiping on Sunday will be considered idolatry, as God's true Sabbath day will be made clear as time goes on.

The consequences of not worshipping on the 7th day are delayed into the future

The conflict between Saturday and Sunday worship is viewed as a final test of allegiance to God versus to the human-made system.

Did you vote?

Ivan Hlavanda · Wednesday at 11:47 AM

Hentenza said:
I’ve had several people that keep the sabbath argue that the sabbath is a moral commandment, therefore, those that do not worship on Saturday are sinning and consequently living in sin. The poll is self explanatory. If you choose maybe please post why.

Be blessed.

Col 2:16: “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day - things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.' The Sabbath is gone.

The Sabbath was the seventh day of the week. It was instituted under the Mosaic law, between the fall of man and Moses. There were no Sabbath laws. There was no Sabbath observance. That came in the Mosaic law. Centuries went by; none of the patriarchs had any kind of Sabbath laws. On the seventh day, after creation, you remember, God rested and God blessed that day.

Why? As a day that would always be a memorial to the fact that God had created the universe in six days, so the seventh day was always going to be a reminder of God as our Creator. Every Saturday that comes along - which is the seventh day of the week, Sunday being the first day of the week - every Saturday that comes along is a good day for us to remember, first of all, God is Creator. And we have that in our heritage.

When the Mosaic law came along, God ordained a Sabbath day for the people to observe and to obey God, and God put some restraints on them to remind them of their sinfulness. So, every Saturday that comes along kind of has a two-fold role; it causes us to remember God as Creator, and to remember how sinful we really are - and truly we are sinful. But the Sabbath is gone.

It is part of Judaism that has been replaced by the new covenant, and the new covenant has a completely different day. Saturday, reminds us of God as Creator and God as law-giver, and it reminds us of the beauty of God’s creation, the magnificence of His creation, and the sinfulness of our own hearts. But when you come to the new covenant, you have a new kind of observation, not observing God as Creator, not observing God as law-giver, but in the new covenant God is defining Himself as what? Saviour.

So, the new covenant has its own day, a day in which we focus on God as our Saviour, and that's Sunday.

In NT, the Church worshipped on Sunday. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” Paul also urges the Corinthian believers, “On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income” 1 Cor 16:2 . Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Cor 9:12, this collection may have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically, Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

seeking.IAM · Wednesday at 11:55 AM

Worshipping any day or every day is not a sin, Sunday included.

I believe the majority of text and law in the Bible is devoted to "rest" and details about how to rest, not about worship. There are travel restrictions on the Sabbath. How far do you live from your church and how do you get there? Does hitting the "ignition" firing sparkplugs in your V-6 violate Sabbath rules on kindling a flame?

HARK! · Wednesday at 12:47 PM

Hentenza said:
“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
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But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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True

It's those who transgress the Torah, who are under the penalty of the Torah.

John confirms this.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:6
Everyone who is remaining in Him is not sinning. Everyone who is sinning sees Him not, neither knows Him.

HARK! · Wednesday at 12:51 PM

PloverWing said:
The Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) ruled that Gentiles do not have to convert to Judaism to become Christians, and Paul's letters are consistent with this ruling.

HARK! said:
So let me get this straight. Pagans, don't have to convert to Judaism to practice Christianity (a sect of Judaism)?

Where can I find that in Acts 15?

PloverWing said:
I had in mind Acts 15:1-35.

I'm not seeing it.

Can you show me the verse that supports your claim?

Hentenza · Wednesday at 12:52 PM

HARK! said:
True

It's those who transgress the Torah, who are under the penalty of the Torah.

John confirms this.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:6
Everyone who is remaining in Him is not sinning. Everyone who is sinning sees Him not, neither knows Him.

That is also correct. That is why being or walking in the Spirit allows the Spirit to both guide, correct and and convict the believer.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 12:56 PM

Its not as if we can decide this debate for God. We all have to answer to Him. 2Cor5:10

There is not one verse in the entire Bible in context that says we can break one of God's commandments or His Testimony, His word is settled in heaven Psa119:89 exactly where His Law is Rev15:5 Rev11:19. God decides what are His commandments and He did both written and spoken by Him. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6 Exo31:18. Jesus never once said it changed or we did not have to keep His commandments, He taught the opposite Mat5:19-30 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke4:16 and is our example to follow 1 John2:6 . Its what faith is all about.

As far as I know there is no one greater than He and He tells us He does not change. Mal 3:6 God only sanctified one day to keep holy in all of the Bible Gen2:3 Exo20:11 God only claimed one day as His holy day in all of the Bible Isa58:13 and called it the holy day, meaning there is no other. I think its important to believe Him at His Word.

HARK! · Wednesday at 1:18 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
God only claimed one day as His holy day in all of the Bible Isa58:13 and called it the holy day, meaning there is no other. I think its important to believe Him at His Word.

In the 5th century, Socrates Scholasticus Church History book 5 states the fact that until Constantine imposed Dies Solis (Sungod Day) on humanity, most assemblies and believers across the world at that time still kept The Sabbath even as late as 5 centuries later after Yahshua! He clearly knew that this “Sunday” worship was based in Rome on “the account of some ancient tradition!”

"Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this."

HARK! · Wednesday at 1:36 PM

Episcopalian- Bishop Seymour, -Why We Keep Sunday. "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man."2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

o_mlly · Wednesday at 1:44 PM

"Either/Or"? Better to worship God on both days, and every other day of the week as well.

"It is truly right and just, our duty and our salvation, always and everywhere to give you thanks, Father most holy, through your beloved Son, Jesus Christ ..." (PREFACE OF EUCHARISTIC PRAYER II).

Bob S · Wednesday at 1:53 PM

The writings by the early church can be enlightening and/or controversial, Scripture, if one takes the time to read without preconceived beliefs, will prove we are not under the dictates of the ritual laws of the Old Covenant. That covenant was for Israel only.

Those who use 1jn3:4 to prove sin is defined by the Ten Commandments need to read the rest of John's chapter. In verse 19 we read: 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: Reading on to the end of the chapter, we find what John was referring to in verse 4. It reads: 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Thank you, John, for giving us the real truth for how to lead the Christian life. Love is a most powerful word.

Concerning the OP, I would like to once again explain that there is no command by God telling Gentiles we are under the ritual commands God gave to only one nation, Israel. Contrary to what some like to tell us that the Sabbath command was a law concerning morality, as with all of the laws concerning all of the Israelite high days, they were all ritual or ceremonial.

HARK! · Wednesday at 1:57 PM

Hentenza said:
That is also correct. That is why being or walking in the Spirit allows the Spirit to both guide, correct and and convict the believer.

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They all share one belief in common. They all claim to be led by the "Spirit."

We are called to test the spirits.

(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

How do you test the spirits?

I use the Deuteronomy 13 test.

HARK! · Wednesday at 1:58 PM

Bob S said:
The writings by the early church can be enlightening and/or controversial, Scripture, if one takes the time to read without preconceived beliefs, will prove we are not under the dictates of the ritual laws of the Old Covenant. That covenant was for Israel only.

.Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

The covenant is with Israel.

"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Notice that he tells us that those in covenant have the Torah written on their hearts.

Bob S · Wednesday at 2:04 PM

HARK! said:
Episcopalian- Bishop Seymour, -Why We Keep Sunday. "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

The Catholic Church is free to make that claim, but it is easily found to be a fraud.

HARK! said:
Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

I agree fully with that statement and would add that, according to New Covenant requirements the same is for demanding one observe the Old Covenant Israelite Sabbath.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 2:17 PM

Bob S said:
The Catholic Church is free to make that claim, but it is easily found to be a fraud.

I agree fully with that statement and would add that, according to New Covenant requirements the same is for demanding one observe the Old Covenant Israelite Sabbath.

The God of the Bible said this about the Sabbath.

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Shortly after He said this:

Isa 55:8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Mat 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [a]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them. 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Exo 31:13
“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Lev 19:30 ‘You shall keep My Sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary: I am the Lord.

Eze 20:16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

God not once called His Sabbath, the Sabbath of the Jews, He claimed the Sabbath in His own Words as My Sabbath, My holy day.

I am a big believer when someone reveals themselves by their own mouth, to believe them. That’s the issue, people believe what they want to and not what people tell you clearly as God did both in Words(written and spoken) and by action

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (God’s Word)

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
24

We are made in the likeness and image of God to follow Him

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. The Sabbath- My Holy Day thus saith the Lord Isa58:13 do we really know better than our Maker?

Lukaris · Wednesday at 2:20 PM

Early Christians ( most probably) observed Sunday worship as testified to a letter of someone named Barnabas ( not Paul’s associate) which was written between 70 and about 135 AD. However Barnabas is viewed, it testifies to early Sunday worship in its 15th chapter.

From the end of the 15th chapter:

Barnabas 15:8
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot
away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present
Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens.

The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)

The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot). On Early Christian Writings.

www.earlychristianwritings.com

Epistle of Barnabas - Wikipedia

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Hentenza · Wednesday at 2:20 PM

HARK! said:
Episcopalian- Bishop Seymour, -Why We Keep Sunday. "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man."2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

Actually there is patristic evidence from the first and second century where the early church was worshiping on the first day of the week. Examples are the Didache (70ad.), The Epistle of Barbanabas (74ad), Ignatius of Antioch (110 ad), and Justin Martyr (155ad) among others. I can post the wording if you wish.

Hentenza · Wednesday at 2:26 PM

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They all share one belief in common. They all claim to be led by the "Spirit."

We are called to test the spirits.

(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

How do you test the spirits?

I use the Deuteronomy 13 test.

Your denomination is but one among the so called 45,000 which you know is a bogus number anyway. Is your church led by the Spirit? Are you? I know I am.

Btw- there was no Spirit at the time of the writing of the Torah so the Deut. 13 “test” that you claim is not credible or pertinent to the Christian church.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 2:27 PM

Where does it say in the Bible to follow earthy “fathers” over our Heavenly One?

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.

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