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Well you would say this as it opposes all your views.
No, I say this because it is a simple fact.

The density gradient of the atmosphere causes light to bend downwards. It is something surveyors have to take into account when they are measuring angles to distant points.

Rob Skiba got his idea from another video where they used a Fresnel lens to simulate atmospheric refraction, but Rob neglected to pay attention to the fact that they only used the top half of the lens in their simulation, which causes light to bend down. In the kit Rob put together, he uses the bottom half of the lens which causes the light to bend upwards, which is the opposite of what happens in nature. Unfortunately despite him being made aware of his error, he continued to sell them and they continue even now to sell them after his passing.
 
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The ones that are not mainstream like those that teach that the earth is flat.

There's nothing wrong with teaching flat earth, the prophets (inspired by God) did it all the time.
 
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Why do they have to be mainstream ?
Because you were answering a post which had stated, "There isn’t a single mainstream church that teaches a flat earth." (my emphasis)
 
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  1. The Firmament and the Expanse: In the book of Genesis, God is said to have created the "firmament" and the "expanse" (Genesis 1:6-8). The firmament is described as a solid, dome-like structure that separates the waters above from the waters below, suggesting a flat, enclosed earth rather than a spherical one.
  2. The Ends of the Earth: The Bible frequently refers to the "ends" or "four corners" of the earth (Job 37:3, Revelation 7:1), implying a flat, bounded surface rather than a globe.
  3. The Foundations of the Earth: Several passages in the Bible describe the earth as having "foundations" (1 Samuel 2:8, Job 38:4-6), which is more consistent with a flat, stationary surface rather than a rotating sphere.
  4. The Stationary Earth: The scripture portrays the earth as being fixed and immovable, rather than rotating on an axis or orbiting the sun (1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10).
  5. The Heavenly Bodies: The sun, moon, and stars are described as moving across the sky, suggesting a flat, stationary earth with these celestial bodies revolving around it (Joshua 10:12-13, Ecclesiastes 1:5).
 
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There's nothing wrong with teaching flat earth, the prophets (inspired by God) did it all the time.
Then show the rest of us just one prophecy that says unmistakeably that the earth is flat. Please don't quote Isaiah 40:22, because that does not say that the earth is flat. It says that God sits above the circle or circuit of the earth. You have to change the wording to make it say, "God sits above the earth, and the earth is a flat circle."
 
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Then show the rest of us just one prophecy that says unmistakeably that the earth is flat.

There is no verse that specifically states that the earth is flat, but it's so obvious he made the earth stationary & level, even by the words used in Scripture such as;

Face.
Level
Unmovable
Circle
Still
Plane
Foundations
Horizon
Compass
Boundaries
Circuit

Proverbs 8:27
I was there when He established the heavens, when He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep,
 
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Rubbish, these are not my views at all.
In the past you have said things like, "this is fake; NASA want us to believe ......", or "THEY want us to accept ...../THEY are trying to make us believe ...." And almost all the scientists and scientific observations of the world are incorrect/lying/don't know what they are talking about.
You have certainly said that the astronauts that have walked on the moon are lying. Even the Christian astronauts who, you have said, need to repent.
When I once said, "I believe men walked on the moon, that the earth is a globe and I believe and accept Genesis 1", you replied "you can't do."
It wasn't that long ago that you wrote "you don't believe Scripture" and other things. I can't find the post now, I suspect you/someone else removed it.
 
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There is no verse that specifically states that the earth is flat,
There you are then; that's your argument demolished right there.

You've berated us for not believing Genesis 1 or Scripture, yet you know that "there is no verse that specifically says that the earth is flat".
I shall get that printed on a t shirt and send it to you.
but it's so obvious he made the earth stationary & level, even by the words used in Scripture
"Obvious" to someone who can't get her head around science and cannot recognise that a) the Bible sometimes uses poetry, b) the Bible is not a science textbook - maybe.
 
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I can't but it's so obvious he made the earth stationary & level, even by the words used in Scripture such as;

Face.
Level
Unmovable
Circle
Still
Plane
Foundations
Horizon
Compass
Boundaries
Circuit

Proverbs 8:27
I was there when He established the heavens, when He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep,
I would say that all of the words you list are true of a globe earth, too.

You have a face, yet your head is not flat, so why does the earth have to be flat to have a face?

I tried without success to find a bible verse saying that the earth is level.

A globe can be as unmoveable as a disc.

Where does the bible say that the earth is circular?

The only verse I could find that says the earth was still is:

“You caused judgment to be heard from heaven; The earth feared and was still,” (Ps 76:8 NKJV)

However, the word translated "still" there means to be quiet, be tranquil, be at peace. It says nothing about the earth's shape.

There are no references to the earth being plane. Thinking you meant "plain" I tried that, too. There are plenty of verses that talk of parts of the earth being a plain, (For instance, Sodom and Gomorrah are referred to as cities of the plain) but no verses I could find to say that the whole earth is a plain.

Something does not need to be flat to have foundations. Skyscrapers have them.

The horizon indicates a globe earth. If it were flat, the horizon would not exist. Nor would sunsets and sunrises.

Compass is used to translate various Hebrew words. One means to surround:

Ps 17:9 From the wicked that oppress me, [from] my deadly enemies, [who] compass me about.

Another means a circuit or circle:

Pr 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

A third, usually with the word "fetched", means to turn around:

2Sa 5:23 And when David enquired of the LORD, he said, Thou shalt not go up; but fetch a compass behind them, and come upon them over against the mulberry trees.

None of the meanings is only possible if the earth is flat.

Any shape can have boundaries.

The word "circuit" occurs 3 times in the KJV. It is the same word as is translated "compass" in 2 Samuel 5:23, and means to turn around:

1Sa 7:16 And he went from year to year in circuit to Bethel, and Gilgal, and Mizpeh, and judged Israel in all those places.
Job 22:14 Thick clouds are` a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.
Ps 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


None of those verses where "circuit" occurs mention the earth's shape.
 
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There's nothing wrong with teaching flat earth, the prophets (inspired by God) did it all the time.
None of the prophets taught a flat earth.
 
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The Earth stands still while our stars do this:
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And our "planets," once known as our wandering stars do this:
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This is what we have observed throughout at least the time that men have looked to the sky.

And this simple, verifiable reality can never be explained by heliocentrism.
 
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I've just watched this great video posted by Kirk of an old interview conducted by well known astronomer 'Patrick Moor' with a Flat earther.

Even though Patrick disagrees, as expected, he conducts the interview with respect and actually allows the guy to talk - shame today's TV scientists aren't like this anymore!

 
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None of the prophets taught a flat earth.

I agree, but they did teach an unmovable stationery earth plus a firmament with the sun, moon and stars set in it.
 
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In the past you have said things like, "this is fake; NASA want us to believe ......", or "THEY want us to accept ...../THEY are trying to make us believe ...." And almost all the scientists and scientific observations of the world are incorrect/lying/don't know what they are talking about.
You have certainly said that the astronauts that have walked on the moon are lying. Even the Christian astronauts who, you have said, need to repent.
When I once said, "I believe men walked on the moon, that the earth is a globe and I believe and accept Genesis 1", you replied "you can't do."
It wasn't that long ago that you wrote "you don't believe Scripture" and other things. I can't find the post now, I suspect you/someone else removed it.

What a load of rubbish that has been taken out of context.
 
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The Earth stands still while our stars do this:
testimonial-7.jpg

And our "planets," once known as our wandering stars do this:
fUB2mES.png

This is what we have observed throughout at least the time that men have looked to the sky.

And this simple, verifiable reality can never be explained by heliocentrism.
Heliocentrism is a proven fact and has been for a very loooooooong time.
 
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I agree, but they did teach an unmovable stationery earth plus a firmament with the sun, moon and stars set in it.
Not really. Even the prophets knew that it was symbolic.
 
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The ancients tried to tell us in many of their writings about the local sun, triangulation & evidence of the same. Take a fresh look at this. It is showing us local sun triangulation with corpuscular rays !!

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