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Strong in Him · 2025-11-04T02:14:28-0600

Apple Sky said:
I know what he said .

Why did you start talking about Dover, then? It was irrelevant.

David Lamb · 2025-11-04T02:15:25-0600

Apple Sky said:
I know what he said .

No your wrong it is due to our prospective.

They say while standing on a flat surface with eyes about 5 feet from the ground, people can typically see 3 miles away due to the curve of the earth. But we see more than this from Dover too France.

Perspective makes things look smaller the further away from the observer they are. But when ships, or the sun, disappear beyond the horizon, they don't just get smaller and smaller until they are too small to see. The ship, and the sun, disappear gradually. Halfway through a sunset, for instance, we see half of the sun. We spent ages discussing the matter, and you eventually agreed that the sun does not get smaller and smaller at sunset until we can't see it.

Yes the horizon is about 3 miles away for an observer at sea level, which is why one cannot see France from the beach at Dover. The White Cliffs of Dover are about 100 metres high, and that means the the horizon for a person standing on the cliffs is about 22 miles away.

David Lamb · 2025-11-04T02:17:20-0600

Apple Sky said:
Our prospective, our eyes can only see so far due to the horizon.

But if the earth is flat as you insist, why is there a horizon at all? To those of us who realise that the earth is a globe, the horizon is as far as we can see before the curvature of the earth prevents us seeing any further.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T02:33:58-0600

David Lamb said:
Perspective makes things look smaller the further away from the observer they are.

Yes until they disappear.

David Lamb said:
To those of us who realise that the earth is a globe, the horizon is as far as we can see before the curvature of the earth prevents us seeing any further.

Wrong - It is due to our prospective when looking over land & it is due to the horizon when we look out to sea, apparently they say that our eyes can only see 3 miles away but this isn't the case when we view Dover too France.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T02:36:00-0600

Strong in Him said:
Why did you start talking about Dover, then?

Because of what David said. he said;

If the earth were as flat as a pancake, I should, on a clear day, be able easily to see France from my living room window. The fact that I cannot see France, even with binoculars, fits with the earth being a sphere.

David Lamb · 2025-11-04T02:43:35-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes until they disappear.

Wrong - It is due to our prospective when looking over land & it is due to the horizon when we look out to sea, apparently they say that our eyes can only see 3 miles away but this isn't the case when we view Dover too France.

So why does the sun not appear to get smaller and smaller at sunset, until it is just a tiny dot in the distance, and then completely invisible? Why, half way through a sunset, do we still see the sun as large as before, but we only see half of it?

Regarding what you say about our eyes only being able to see 3 miles away, that depends how high above sea level you are, as I explained. You cannot see France from the beach at Dover, but 100 metres up on the White Cliffs, you can.

David Lamb · 2025-11-04T02:45:13-0600

Apple Sky said:
Because of what David said. he said;

But what David (I) said was to ask you why I cannot see France from my window here in Paignton on the South Devon coast, if the earth is flat.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-04T02:48:31-0600

Apple Sky said:
Because of what David said. he said;

From his living room window - not from Dover. I don't think he lives in Dover. No one mentioned Dover except you.

You claim that you know what he said and then talk about a place he didn't even mention.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T02:56:55-0600

David Lamb said:
You cannot see France from the beach at Dover, but 100 metres up on the White Cliffs, you can.

Yes, you can see France from the beach at Dover on a clear day, though it is much easier to see from the top of the white cliffs. The French coast is visible across the English Channel when atmospheric conditions are good, especially during sunrise when the sun lights up the French coast.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T02:59:57-0600

Strong in Him said:
You claim that you know what he said and then talk about a place he didn't even mention.

He mentioned France.

David Lamb · 2025-11-04T03:31:25-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes, you can see France from the beach at Dover on a clear day, though it is much easier to see from the top of the white cliffs. The French coast is visible across the English Channel when atmospheric conditions are good, especially during sunrise when the sun lights up the French coast.

You cannot see France from the beach at Dover. On the beach, you are at sea-level, which means the horizon is approximately 3 miles away. France is about 21 miles away, and can be seen on a clear day from the top of the cliffs at Dover.

David Lamb · 2025-11-04T03:34:14-0600

Apple Sky said:
He mentioned France.

Yes I did, and you still haven't really explained why I cannot see France from Paignton. France is a whole country, and big enough to be seen. I cannot see it because the horizon is only about 20 miles away, given the height of my house above sea level. France is approximately 120 miles from Paignton.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T03:52:58-0600

David Lamb said:
You cannot see France from the beach at Dover.

AI Overview

Yes, you can see France from the beach at Dover on a clear day,
though it is much easier to see from the top of the white cliffs. The French coast is visible across the English Channel when atmospheric conditions are good, especially during sunrise when the sun lights up the French coast.

Location: From the beach and especially from the top of the White Cliffs of Dover, you can see the coast of France about 35 kilometers (21 miles) away at the narrowest point.
Visibility: Clear, sunny days with low humidity offer the best views. Fog or haze will obscure the French coastline.
Appearance: When the view is clear, you may be able to see buildings and power stations on the French coast.
Weather: Visibility changes, and while France is often visible, winter conditions can make it appear less frequently.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T03:55:43-0600

David Lamb said:
Yes I did, and you still haven't really explained why I cannot see France from Paignton.

I have explained this.

prodromos · 2025-11-04T04:48:35-0600

Apple Sky said:
Even so, it's all flat as a pancake, is it not ?

No. There's mountains and valleys and then, of course, there is a horizon due to the curvature of the earth.

I'm still waiting for a response to post #501. Do you admit that your argument does not stand or do you still insist that stars are angels?

prodromos · 2025-11-04T04:52:49-0600

Apple Sky said:
AI Overview

Yes, you can see France from the beach at Dover on a clear day,
though it is much easier to see from the top of the white cliffs. The French coast is visible across the English Channel when atmospheric conditions are good, especially during sunrise when the sun lights up the French coast.

Some parts of the French coast, which have a higher elevation may be visible from the beach in Dover, but not all.

prodromos · 2025-11-04T04:59:07-0600

Apple Sky said:
I know what he said .

No your wrong it is due to our prospective.

They say while standing on a flat surface with eyes about 5 feet from the ground, people can typically see 3 miles away due to the curve of the earth. But we see more than this from Dover too France.

The horizon at sea level is about 3 miles away, but land masses and buildings that have high elevation will still be visible some distance beyond the horizon. That’s why lighthouses are tall buildings built on the highest point of the rocks they are providing warnings for.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T05:48:33-0600

prodromos said:
Some parts of the French coast, which have a higher elevation may be visible from the beach in Dover, but not all.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T05:55:39-0600

prodromos said:
There's mountains and valleys and then, of course, there is a horizon due to the curvature of the earth.

There is no curvature.

prodromos said:
I'm still waiting for a response to post #501. Do you admit that your argument does not stand or do you still insist that stars are angels?

No the stars are not angels - You win.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-04T07:33:54-0600

Apple Sky said:
He mentioned France.

Big deal.

He said "I cannot see France from my widow," and you replied "you can see it from Dover".
How does that answer his comment?

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