SNAP benefits ( gentally)

dogs4thewin · Monday at 12:25 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
I think a good rule would be that if I wouldn't buy it for my kids, a parent shouldn't be able to use my tax money to buy it for theirs.

The trouble with that is that different people may allow their kids to have different things so just because you personally would not buy it for your kids does not by default mean that others should not for theirs. I mean I have a cousin whose daughter has celiac there are PLENTY of things that they would not buy for her because it could prove fatal, yet that does not mean that no one should be able to buy that for their kids. I mean heck if H and J were to personally give someone money to buy food they are not going to say buy NOTHING with gluten in it even though they would not buy anything with gluten for their own daughter. There may be parents who do not buy frozen dinners but that does have some value beyond sugar and junk.

Chesterton · Monday at 12:40 PM

@JosephZ @Paulos23 @Belk @Desk trauma

What's preventing you guys from getting them "treats"? You don't need to show your performative virtue. You can actually effect demonstrable virtue! And it'll feel so good because you'd be using [more of] your own money.

I can think of at least two different ways you can find and help out Snappers who can't get through the day without a Snickers. If you want me to tell you, then reply to this and ask.

Larniavc · Monday at 1:15 PM

Belk said:
Why are you so desperate to micromanage other peoples lives?

Humans have a universal desire for agency. If not in our own lives then other people’s live will do.

We see this expressed in various ways from bullying to obsessive compulsive disorder.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 1:42 PM

Belk said:
Why are you so desperate to micromanage other peoples lives?

Because when they are using other people's money, the other people have every right to tell people how and where they should spend it.

durangodawood · Monday at 1:59 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Because when they are using other people's money, the other people have every right to tell people how and where they should spend it.

I can see your point.

But I dont see the current majority party ever antagonizing the corporate "food" industry this way.

JustaPewFiller · Monday at 2:03 PM

The last study I could find on it was from 2011. So, its a little dated. But at that time the spending habits of those on SNAP vs those not were not hugely different.

Full summary here -> https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased-Summary.pdf

Full report here -> https://www.fns.usda.gov/research/s...-nutrition-assistance-program-snap-households

SNAP families do spend more on sweetened beverages, prepared frozen foods, prepared desserts, etc than non-snap families, but not *that* much more.

durangodawood · Monday at 2:08 PM

Wow sweetened beverages.

They should tax them like cigarettes if they really want to MAHA..

RocksInMyHead · Monday at 2:10 PM

JustaPewFiller said:
SNAP families do spend more on sweetened beverages, prepared frozen foods, prepared desserts, etc than non-snap families, but not *that* much more.

And the "quick meals" stuff is pretty understandable - many people on SNAP benefits are working multiple jobs and/or caring for kids on their own, and thus are less likely to have time to cook a meal from scratch.

rambot · Monday at 2:11 PM

Ug. I find the whole conversation pretty distasteful. We hear and judge the eating habits of the poor but never consider the spending habits, and tax deductions of the rich.

If any of these urban poor folks had parents that raised them on fresh foods, that would help them. In the mean time, I have kids in my class who don't know what a broccolli is cause they've never seen it before. Well guess what? I found out their parent hadn't seen one either.

We tend to eat the way we were brought up..."TEND to". If a kid hasn't seen a brussel sprout before, I may as well have just given him injera. How could you expect people to eat food they've NEVER had before and don't know how to prepare?

Lastly, the number of poor people who do not have consistent access to cooking tools (be it pots and pans or a working oven), is probably higher than you'd guess.

iluvatar5150 · Monday at 2:11 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Because when they are using other people's money, the other people have every right to tell people how and where they should spend it.

eh...

There are ways to do that that are healthy and ways to do it that are controlling and toxic. Anybody who's ever worked in university administration (as my wife does) can tell you just how much of a mess that approach can become even when the donors are well-meaning and not overbearing. University endowments aren't giant, singular pots of money; they're typically collections of many smaller pots, each earmarked for specific purposes. Funding projects and staff positions often winds up being a ridiculous and inefficient juggling act pulling money from all over the place.

JustaPewFiller said:
SNAP families do spend more on sweetened beverages, prepared frozen foods, prepared desserts, etc than non-snap families, but not *that* much more.

Which makes sense if SNAP families are more likely to have limited food prep time due to having young kids and/or working jobs with odd schedules. (Nearly half of SNAP recipients are under 18.) I buy frozen food all the time, because I need to cook dinner for the kid in <20 minutes every night.

rambot · Monday at 2:57 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Because when they are using other people's money, the other people have every right to tell people how and where they should spend it.

Why?

When I donate to a charity I don't micromanage those people. Do you?

Besides, I have it on good authority your tax dollars were used to put up several new signs in Yosemite National Park. So don't worry about this money.

Or did you believe that the 2$ a month that a taxpayer spends on the poor gives them carte blanche to control every aspect of "The Poors" diet and lifestyle?

rambot · Monday at 2:58 PM

LAstly, and this is from ignorance (or at least from a source I don't completely trust), is SNAP benefits, what 320$/house for a month?

bèlla · Monday at 3:01 PM

You guys say some hateful stuff to be christians. Someone needs to do an expose on this faction of christianity and expose your hypocrisy.

~bella

rambot · Monday at 3:07 PM

bèlla said:
You guys say some hateful stuff to be christians. Someone needs to do an expose on this faction of christianity and expose your hypocrisy.

~bella

It is a very strange version of needing to assert "power" over others. And it sure is distasteful when it is being leveraged against the poor, downtrodden, the widow, the fatherless etc....

Hard to emulate Trump if there is nobody you are permitted to assert power over.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 3:14 PM

rambot said:
Why?

When I donate to a charity I don't micromanage those people. Do you?

Besides, I have it on good authority your tax dollars were used to put up several new signs in Yosemite National Park. So don't worry about this money.

Or did you believe that the 2$ a month that a taxpayer spends on the poor gives them carte blanche to control every aspect of "The Poors" diet and lifestyle?

Because unlike charity, you are literally compelled to pay taxes against your will lest someone with a gun comes knocking on your door.

Chesterton · Monday at 3:24 PM

bèlla said:
You guys say some hateful stuff to be christians. Someone needs to do an expose on this faction of christianity and expose your hypocrisy.

Who for example is saying hateful stuff? It's not a rule violation to point it out if as long as you're not doing fla/go,

rambot · Monday at 3:35 PM

bèlla said:
You guys say some hateful stuff to be christians. Someone needs to do an expose on this faction of christianity and expose your hypocrisy.

~bella

[See my signature]

Desk trauma · Monday at 3:36 PM

bèlla said:
You guys say some hateful stuff to be christians. Someone needs to do an expose on this faction of christianity and expose your hypocrisy.

~bella

They ship sailed.

rambot · Monday at 3:38 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Because unlike charity, you are literally compelled to pay taxes against your will lest someone with a gun comes knocking on your door.

So? Why does that mean you think you should have power over what poor people eat and don't have the same expectation for any other tax dollar?

bèlla · Monday at 3:38 PM

Chesterton said:
Who for example is saying hateful stuff? It's not a rule violation to point it out if as long as you're not doing fla/go,

I didn’t mention anyone specifically. I said an expose should be done on the faction of christianity that holds the negative perspectives against the poor and needy that are articulated on the site. The majority would be surprised to learn how you really feel. And I think they should know.

~bella

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