Trump third term

stevevw said:

Why is everyone scared of Trump or any president holding government for long periods. In my nation and in many others we have a history of priministers sometimes being in government often for 3 terms or longer. Some of our best periods were under long term leaders.

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Because the Constitution of the United States of America says "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice," The 22nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution .

And as a not-American myself, I happen to think that since President of the USA is the most powerful job in the free world, it is important that person is willing and able to live by their own rules. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,..."

Postvieww said:

Tell us in your opinion was Biden allowed or chosen by God to advance or punish this nation?

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That's the thing. In my opinion, Biden wasn't chosen by God. He was just a guy, trying to do his best for the country, who did some good things and made some mistakes. Same with Obama, and Bush, and the other Bush, and Clinton, and Reagan, and so forth. Sure, I'm happy when my party wins elections and less happy when the other party wins, but I see it all as a human endeavor. It's the religious component of Trump's support that is so strange to me.

PloverWing said:

That's the thing. In my opinion, Biden wasn't chosen by God. He was just a guy, trying to do his best for the country, who did some good things and made some mistakes. Same with Obama, and Bush, and the other Bush, and Clinton, and Reagan, and so forth. Sure, I'm happy when my party wins elections and less happy when the other party wins, but I see it all as a human endeavor. It's the religious component of Trump's support that is so strange to me.

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Why is it strange? Do you believe God still speaks to his church through men?

stevevw said:

The system where potentially the government can change every 4 years seems self defeating.

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Historically, countries with such a trait have a better performance than those where the government can't change.

Landon Caeli said:

The Amazon layoffs are targeting corporate employees only, and it's because theyre being replaced by generative AI, not because of lack of sales, or the economy.

You can't blame Trump for technological advances.

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Nope. But when he doesn't come up with solutions, then yes you can blame him.

Postvieww said:

Why is it strange? Do you believe God still speaks to his church through men?

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Sometimes. And sometimes human voices are merely human. Hence, the challenge of discernment.

Trump's messages do not remind me of the messages from the prophets recorded in Scripture, so I am not tempted to think of him as a prophet.

You've mentioned prophets in your own church who spoke of Trump. Unfortunately, since I have not met those speakers, I cannot assess their message or their character. Thus, for the time being, I am assuming that their messages are also merely human messages. But it's possible that if I met them, I would see a spiritual character in them that would persuade me that they were speaking for God, or at least speaking out of a state of deep communion with God. Currently, they are an unknown to me.

Nithavela said:

Historically, countries with such a trait have a better performance than those where the government can't change.

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I don't mean can't change. That sounds more like a dictatorship. The people can still vote to change the government. But sometimes they vote to keep the same government in for longer if they are doing well. Why limit something thats going well.

The government never really stays much more than I think 3 terms. So 12 years. I think maybe during the 2nd WW and after the conservatives were in for around 16 years. But now on average every 8 years.

But if governments kept changing every 4 years for example. The way they are so different now and polarised on many policies. It seems strange that you would spend so much money in implementing programs, laws, regulations and policies. Only to undo them again and again. It would waste a lot of time and money I think.

Though one good thing I found was that each party had their strengths. So the conservatives would come in and maybe get business and the economy going and maybe pay down some debt. Then Labor would come in and implement the welfare programs.

PloverWing said:

Sometimes. And sometimes human voices are merely human. Hence, the challenge of discernment.

Trump's messages do not remind me of the messages from the prophets recorded in Scripture, so I am not tempted to think of him as a prophet.

You've mentioned prophets in your own church who spoke of Trump. Unfortunately, since I have not met those speakers, I cannot assess their message or their character. Thus, for the time being, I am assuming that their messages are also merely human messages. But it's possible that if I met them, I would see a spiritual character in them that would persuade me that they were speaking for God, or at least speaking out of a state of deep communion with God. Currently, they are an unknown to me.

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Have I been that unclear? I have never said Trump’s messages were from God or that he was a prophet! He IMO is chosen to do a job that’s it . I never said they were in my church. Here is one prophecy from 2007 . Long before Trump decided to run. Kim Clement calls Trump by name and said he would have two terms . Believe what you will but this is factual.

Postvieww said:

Have I been that unclear? I have never said Trump’s messages were from God or that he was a prophet! He IMO is chosen to do a job that’s it . I never said they were in my church. Here is one prophecy from 2007 . Long before Trump decided to run. Kim Clement calls Trump by name and said he would have two terms . Believe what you will but this is factual.

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Thanks for the video. I don't know enough about Kim Clement to verify whether he was a genuine prophet (though I do see that his organization has a web site, Our Heritage | House of Destiny , which gives some information about him).

Postvieww said:

Have I been that unclear? I have never said Trump’s messages were from God or that he was a prophet! He IMO is chosen to do a job that’s it . I never said they were in my church. Here is one prophecy from 2007 . Long before Trump decided to run. Kim Clement calls Trump by name and said he would have two terms . Believe what you will but this is factual.

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Thats interesting. Though I have heard that Kim has gotton a lot wrong which has never been made public. Still an interesting insight. But I think this is sort of predictable even in politics.

When there is chaos and a society tries to live in defiance of reality and the truth as a matter of reality correcting itself some sort of adjustment always happens. Because given time it is exposed and rejected as a matter of the natural progression of such unreal ideas and truth. Like they say "sooner or later the truth will come out".

Some people see this and others don't. Similar to how the bible tells us some are blind to Gods spirit and word. I think prophesies do align with truth and reality.

I think many people have seen and predicted similar events. Perhaps not so specifric. But I don't know the US and whether this was an idea well before Trump took office. But politics itself was heading in a way that we could see the usual politics was not working and people were sick of politicians.

Then we began to see people from outside politics or who did not fit the stereotypical mold gain in popularity. If Trump was toying with the idea then one could predict such a possibility as he seems the most likely candidate. We had a primeminister in Malcom Turbull in 2015 who some thought he was Australias version of Trump. More a business man but not a good primeminister politically.

But still its interesting from a spiritual perspective. How world pricipalities are forming and how the middle east and terrorism generally is heating up and coming to some sort of head. Either a peace deal of an escalation of conflict which it seems to be heading for not just in the middle east but within many nations.

Some think that Trump may be the antiChrist or in association in that there will be peace made in the middle east before it is broken and all out war or all out attack on Isreal from a number of surrounding Islamic nations begins. Which leads to all out war.

So if theres a 7 year peace deal and its broken half way through I'm heading for the hills lol.

stevevw said:

Thats interesting. Though I have heard that Kim has gotton a lot wrong which has never been made public. Still an interesting insight. But I think this is sort of predictable even in politics.

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Interesting that you have “heard” but offer no sources. Kim was not the only one that heard the same thing from the Lord. How many “predictions” from as far back as 2007 can you find? I get it, many within the church do not accept the fact that God still speaks to His children and definitely many outside the church are skeptical. But it is what it is, one can choose to believe it or not. In Kim’s case it was at least a very accurate lucky guess 9 years before the fact or he actually did hear from God. For me the latter is true !