Which Groups Are More Likely To Believe That Violence Is Sometimes Necessary To Gain Political Aims?

Hans Blaster · Friday at 1:44 PM

Always in His Presence said:
re: Police officers - one stroke and two suicides, days afterwards.

All of which were the result of the attack.

Always in His Presence · Friday at 1:55 PM

Hans Blaster said:
All of which were the result of the attack.

How do you know? Is your crystal ball and mind reading skills that high?

Hans Blaster · Friday at 2:02 PM

Always in His Presence said:
How do you know? Is your crystal ball and mind reading skills that high?

The officer with the stroke collapsed in the Routunda during the attack and never left the hospital. The suicides are also directly connected to the trauma of the day.

Always in His Presence · Friday at 2:38 PM

Hans Blaster said:
The officer with the stroke collapsed in the Routunda during the attack and never left the hospital. The suicides are also directly connected to the trauma of the day.

You better check your mind reading a little better.

While tragic. The stroke didn’t just happen, he had medical issues prior to it.

The two suicides. One that was not filled job related and the other had extenuating circumstances

You failed again.

rambot · Friday at 2:57 PM

Always in His Presence said:
How do you know? Is your crystal ball and mind reading skills that high?

Suicide notes left to loved ones helped.

Although maybe you can't trust a suicide note if it runs counter to your convinient beliefs.

rambot · Friday at 2:59 PM

Always in His Presence said:
The two suicides. One that was not filled job related and the other had extenuating circumstances

Whoever told you that is clearly a liar. It's ridiculous, and insulting to their memory that you ignore the truth that their family tells about them.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/06/jan-6-officer-howie-liebengood-00195463
The selfie that proved a cop died in the line of duty
It's disgusting what people are willing to say and argue because it runs counter to their belief about something they know nothing about.

IT's like Sandy Hook all over again except with adults.

Always in His Presence · Friday at 3:34 PM

rambot said:
Suicide notes left to loved ones helped.

Although maybe you can't trust a suicide note if it runs counter to your convinient beliefs.

You really want me to believe you have read the man’s suicide note?

Give me a break.

Always in His Presence · Friday at 3:37 PM

rambot said:
Whoever told you that is clearly a liar. It's ridiculous, and insulting to their memory that you ignore the truth that their family tells about them.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/06/jan-6-officer-howie-liebengood-00195463
The selfie that proved a cop died in the line of duty
It's disgusting what people are willing to say and argue because it runs counter to their belief about something they know nothing about.

IT's like Sandy Hook all over again except with adults.

You don’t even read your own links do you!

From the link

They’d long believed Howie’s service on the Capitol Police was harming his health, and they’d repeatedly urged him to quit

That is the truth the family shared. Please don’t ignore it for a political position.

rambot · Friday at 3:37 PM

Always in His Presence said:
You really want me to believe you have read the man’s suicide note?

Give me a break.

No but his family did and that is what they believe. Why would you CHOOSE to ignore them?

Are you telling me you can't trust his family to tell the truth because it's uncomfortable....for YOU?

Read the article.

rambot · Friday at 3:37 PM

Always in His Presence said:
You don’t even read your own links do you!

From the link

They’d long believed Howie’s service on the Capitol Police was harming his health, and they’d repeatedly urged him to quit

Lol.
Good for you and your quote mining!

Three days had passed since the riot. Three days and still Capitol Police Officer Howie Liebengood’s brother and sister hadn’t spoken to him. They knew he’d made it through without any physical injuries, but they worried about how the attack and its aftermath had impacted him psychologically.

First paragraph. Before your quotemine

Always in His Presence · Friday at 5:14 PM

rambot said:
Lol.
Good for you and your quote mining!

First paragraph. Before your quotemine

Right he had serious mental issues BEFORE Jan 6 - that isn't quote mining that is quoting in context -

It would be different if he was mentally stable before and then killed himself afterwards.

Context my friend, context.

Say it aint so · Friday at 6:04 PM

Always in His Presence said:
same thing - one man's protestor is another man's rioters as evidenced in the 2020 summer of love. Point being - there were no police officers murdered or killed on Jan 6 as our dear friend @Fantine mis stated.

Next hair you want to split?

Not a split hair. Protestors and rioters are two differing things. Or does this look like a protestor to you?

Always in His Presence · Friday at 6:43 PM

Was this a riot or protest?

BPPLEE · Friday at 7:05 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Was this a riot or protest?

That's a "mostly peaceful " protest according to reporters

Bradskii · Saturday at 12:46 AM

I really gotta say that trying to excuse Jan 6 does some of you guys no favours whatsoever.

BPPLEE · Saturday at 1:30 AM

Bradskii said:
I really gotta say that trying to excuse Jan 6 does some of you guys no favours whatsoever.

I don't excuse January 6th but you can't just pretend the George Floyd riots never happened or claim all the damage was actually caused by the Boogaloos and Proud Boys because you have a couple of examples out of $2 billion worth of damage.

Bradskii · Saturday at 1:39 AM

BPPLEE said:
I don't excuse January 6th but you can't just pretend the George Floyd riots never happened or claim all the damage was done by the Boogaloos and Proud Bous because you have a couple of examples out of $2 billion worth of damage

Good grief, man. If Trump supporters trying to overturn a democratically decided election in the very place that epitomizes democracy in the US doesn't cause you to feel shame, then heaven knows what could.

Responses to it that amount to nothing more than 'hey, I don't actually excuse it' are so far from what I'd expect that it just emphasises where you've got to as a country. I'm watching it crumble and it's honestly heart breaking.

BPPLEE · Saturday at 1:46 AM

Bradskii said:
Good grief, man. If Trump supporters trying to overturn a democratically decided election in the very place that epitomizes democracy in the US doesn't cause you to feel shame, then heaven knows what could.

Responses to it that amount to nothing more than 'hey, I don't actually excuse it' are so far from what I'd expect that it just emphasises where you've got to as a country. I'm watching it crumble and it's honestly heart breaking.

Yeah right, The government was almost toppled by people armed with bear spray and flagpoles

Bradskii · Saturday at 1:55 AM

BPPLEE said:
Yeah right, The government was almost toppled by people armed with bear spray and flagpoles

What? Trump supporters were trying to overturn Trump? He was the president for heaven's sake! What on earth are you talking about? This wasn't trying to bring down a government. It was trying to overturn an election. If Pence had acquiesced then heaven only knows what sort of civil unrest you'd have suffered.

And again, you are trying to minimise it. It's just...depressing.

BPPLEE · Saturday at 1:57 AM

Damage from the 2020 riots, primarily the George Floyd protests, resulted in approximately $1-$2 billion in insured damages across the U.S., with specific figures like over $500 million in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area. The damage included arson, looting, and vandalism of buildings, as well as injuries to many people, including police officers.

Economic damage

- United States: Insured damages were estimated to be between $1 and $2 billion.
- Minneapolis-Saint Paul: At least $500 million in damages occurred in this region, affecting approximately 1,500 properties, with some sources citing over $550 million.
- Specific Incidents: In one incident, the damage was assessed at over $2.7 million.

Other impacts

- Injuries: Many people were injured, including 174 police officers, and there were also reports of excessive force used by law enforcement.
- Deaths: At least 25 people were killed during protests and related unrest, mostly by fellow citizens.

And yes January 6th protesters were pardoned after facing consequences and many serving time but NY rioters were PAID for their part in the riots

Total payout: Over $13 million, with the exact amount depending on the specifics of each case.
Individual compensation: The settlement includes up to $9,950 for eligible protesters arrested during certain demonstrations between May 28 and June 4, 2020.
Other settlements: A separate settlement awarded $21,500 each to hundreds of protesters who were kettled in the Bronx during a demonstration.
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