Which Groups Are More Likely To Believe That Violence Is Sometimes Necessary To Gain Political Aims?

Valletta said:

It was the same when Judas betrayed Our Lord, there was no mass exodus of followers of Jesus.

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There was until 3 days later

Fantine said:

Gee, one insurrection more than covers all those allegations. Policemen killed ane beaten. Federal police...extreme vandalism and destruction of the Capitol. And the treasonous traitors were pardoned.
The murder of Minnesota state officials and the kidnapping plot against Whitmer are more than Scalise's shooting.
The assassination attempts have never been completely verified--and the golf course incident has been greatly exaggerated.

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As bad as J6 was, the violent left has been worse. We can go around and around with it. And we can prove it based on injuries, death and dollar amounts of damage. So, its best not to try and compare.

Hans Blaster said:

What's really weird, Steve, is that the reason is literally in the sentence prior to the one to which this was your reply as I stated in that sentence (paraphrased) "religiosity in the US was at a peak in the 1950s/early-60s". The reason for that was general post-war religiosity and the start of the Cold War. This is when the "X-Nats" pushed hard to plaster their dominance on the whole of the country by smearing "God slogans" all over the place.

The quoted text was placed under my statement about the non-existence of religious uniformity in the US and its predecessors. You response to my sentence about peak religiosity in the 1950s was to write some unrelated statement about church abuses of power.

You ask why I state your understanding of American history is severely flawed. This is a perfect illustration.

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You seem to think Americans are not humans lol. Religiousity and belief in God and morality is a natural human default inclination no matter what Nation. Thats the basis I am coming from. I think I understand the Human Sciences much better than you as its my area of education and research for decades now.

Your caught amoung the trees and cannot see the forrest lol. Which is natural for any culture.

You seem to break up history into signposts you think represent everything about a nation. Religious belief in the Christian God and bible has been a hallmark of western thought fullstop. The pioneers of the US were fleeing from the religion of the mother country to begin their own religious independence.

The mother country England had a long history of religious belief. Which came from the Roman Empire being Christianised.

American has a long history of Christian belief or belief in God even if it was Diestic. Christian morals were the basis and when we go back we even see laws encoding Christian beliefs and morals. Such as it was illegal for LGBTIQ+ and abortion and even frowned upon and taboo to have sex outside marriage. Though it happened increasingly that is not the point. The social norms and societal conscience on morals was based on God and the bible.

This remained to varying degrees and was not completely usurped or rejected from the public square until the post 60s revolutions. Which culminated in the changes in long held beliefs and morals such as marriage being redefined with SSM, legalisation of abortion and in more recent times the legalisation of gender identity. Plus all the other ideologies that goe with the belief in DEI and Woke PC.

Every aspect of this is identical and a replacement for the Christian worldview that once held place in the US and all western nations. Afterall it was the west who Christianity spread to. Not Islam or Hindu or other religions. This was our consciousness of how we seen the world and how it was ordered under God. Now there is no God and it is humans who are the gods of their own world.

That is the major difference and this really has only happened in the last 2 or 3 generations. Now we are in a different era, a Godless era. We are no longer united under God even if that was loosely sometimes. Now the public square is an open slather of beliefs and ideologies fighting for survival where violence and hate and division live.

Because we are no longer unified in one mind and spirit even if that was loosely sometimes. We are fundementally divided and this naturally leads to conflict and violence. There is no universal higher power that keeps us in check. It is according to each their own truth and gods even if they be of this world.

rjs330 said:

As bad as J6 was, the violent left has been worse. We can go around and around with it. And we can prove it based on injuries, death and dollar amounts of damage. So, its best not to try and compare.

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Certainly I wouldn't compare it with stats from the Republican....well, I can't think of a civil term so I'll let you guess based on facts from real news.

Valletta said:

The violent rhetoric, hundreds of riots in the United States, real insurrections against federal authorities in blue cities, as well as the assassination threats and attempts on Trump, top officials, supporters of Trump, on ICE, on their spouses and children, the attacks against Jewish students--the downplay narrative isn't working against the truth.

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Why aren't the blue cities complaining? The only complainer us a man with thousands of verified lies in his first term.
At this point it would be simpler to count by truth? Social posts and lies per paragraph of recorded speeches.
The blue cities are present at the scene.
Much more truthful than someone who loudly invents problems to attack his own country!

Always in His Presence said:

Two Assignation attempts

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I don't keep track of those running off secretly to see their lovers.

Fantine said:

Certainly I wouldn't compare it with stats from the Republican....well, I can't think of a civil term so I'll let you guess based on facts from real news.

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Facts wouldnt be from the Republican.... they are just facts. You don't want to compare. That would be a mistake. But if you really want to we can.

Valletta said:

It was the same when Judas betrayed Our Lord, there was no mass exodus of followers of Jesus.

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Please don't try to compare Trump to Jesus

Fantine said:

Please don't try to compare Trump to Jesus

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I didn't.

Hans Blaster said:

I don't keep track of those running off secretly to see their lovers.

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That is because Bill Clinton is no longer in office.

Fantine said:

Why aren't the blue cities complaining? The only complainer us a man with thousands of verified lies in his first term.
At this point it would be simpler to count by truth? Social posts and lies per paragraph of recorded speeches.
The blue cities are present at the scene.
Much more truthful than someone who loudly invents problems to attack his own country!

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Perhaps some reminders would help:

Cities with Notable Damage During the 2020 Protests​

• Minneapolis, MN: The epicenter of the protests, where George Floyd was killed. Widespread damage included fires, looting, and destruction of businesses and police precincts.
• Seattle, WA: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) was established, leading to police withdrawal from a precinct and damage across several blocks.
• Portland, OR: Experienced prolonged unrest with nightly protests, clashes with federal agents, and damage to federal buildings and businesses.
• Chicago, IL: Saw looting and property damage in downtown and other neighborhoods during peak protest periods.
• New York City, NY: Multiple boroughs reported looting, vandalism, and confrontations with police.
• Los Angeles, CA: Protests led to fires, looting, and damage in areas like Santa Monica and downtown LA.
• Atlanta, GA: The CNN Center was vandalized, and other parts of the city saw property damage.
• Philadelphia, PA: Experienced looting and destruction in commercial districts.
• Washington, D.C.: Lafayette Square near the White House saw intense clashes and damage to nearby buildings.
• Denver, CO: Protests led to broken windows and graffiti on government buildings.

Key Economic Impacts of the 2020 Protests​

• Insurance Losses: The insurance industry faced over $1 billion in claims related to property damage from riots and civil disorder. This included damage to buildings, looting, fires, and vandalism.
• Record-Setting Damage: The protests caused up to $2 billion in insured losses, surpassing previous records for civil unrest in the U.S.. This figure only includes insured damages and does not account for uninsured losses or indirect costs.
• Retail Sector Hit Hard: A significant portion of the losses came from large retailers, with just three major chains accounting for one-third of the insurance claims.
• Small Businesses and Minority-Owned Enterprises: Thousands of businesses—many of them minority-owned—were looted or destroyed. These businesses often lacked adequate insurance, making recovery difficult and leading to permanent closures.
• Long-Term Economic Shadow: Beyond immediate damage, cities affected by unrest may experience lasting economic decline, including reduced investment, lower property values, and slower recovery. This “economic shadow” can persist for decades.
• Impact on Employment and Local Economies: The destruction disrupted local economies, especially in urban centers, and compounded job losses already triggered by the COVID-19 pandemic.
• Insurance Industry Shift: The scale of the unrest prompted insurers to reassess risk models, potentially leading to higher premiums or reduced coverage in urban areas prone to unrest

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Nothing to complain about there -

Fantine said:

Gee, one insurrection more than covers all those allegations.

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No - sorry one riot at the capital, while indefensible - is not equivalent to numbers riots causing billions of dollars in damages - a 1,000% rise in violence towards police officers and numerous insurrections against Federal Building in multiple states.

Fantine said:

Policemen killed ane beaten.

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The ONLY death on Jan 6 was a protestor - to state otherwise is not true.

Fantine said:

Federal police...extreme vandalism and destruction of the Capitol.

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Compared to more than 50 instances of the self same actions over the course of a year in multiple states against multiple facilities.

Fantine said:

And the treasonous traitors were pardoned.

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And the treasonous were not even arrested.

Fantine said:

The murder of Minnesota state officials and the kidnapping plot against Whitmer are more than Scalise's shooting.

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No - they are not - four other Republicans were injured on the same day -

Fantine said:

The assassination attempts have never been completely verified

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Yes they have -

Fantine said:

--and the golf course incident has been greatly exaggerated.

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No it has not.

Always in His Presence said:

That is because Bill Clinton is no longer in office.

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There has been a distinct lack of philandering since 2000. Just the First Lady.

rambot said:

Oooo....BLM protests are really really REALLY tricky because it is indisputable that there were Far right provocateurs mixed within those protests. I am 100% not willing to lay ALL the blame of BLM violence on liberals.

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Yes. Recall the Boogaloo boys who literally went to those kinds of riots and shot police officers to start a race riot.

Always in His Presence said:

No - sorry one riot at the capital, while indefensible - is not equivalent to numbers riots causing billions of dollars in damages - a 1,000% rise in violence towards police officers and numerous insurrections against Federal Building in multiple states.


The ONLY death on Jan 6 was a protestor - to state otherwise is not true.

Compared to more than 50 instances of the self same actions over the course of a year in multiple states against multiple facilities.

And the treasonous were not even arrested.

No - they are not - four other Republicans were injured on the same day -

Yes they have -

No it has not.

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The ONLY death on Jan 6 was a protestor rioter trying to get at politicians after the breaking and breaching of a barricaded door- to state otherwise is not true.

Always in His Presence said:

The ONLY death on Jan 6 was a protestor - to state otherwise is not true.

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Say it aint so said:

The ONLY death on Jan 6 was a protestor rioter trying to get at politicians after the breaking and breaching of a barricaded door- to state otherwise is not true.

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same thing - one man's protestor is another man's rioters as evidenced in the 2020 summer of love. Point being - there were no police officers murdered or killed on Jan 6 as our dear friend @Fantine mis stated.

Next hair you want to split?

Say it aint so said:

Yes. Recall the Boogaloo boys who literally went to those kinds of riots and shot police officers to start a race riot.

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all that needs is proof -

Say it aint so said:

The ONLY death on Jan 6 was a protestor rioter trying to get at politicians after the breaking and breaching of a barricaded door- to state otherwise is not true.

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violent death. There were a couple medical deaths. (Not counting the cops)

Hans Blaster said:

violent death. There were a couple medical deaths. (Not counting the cops)

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re: Police officers - one stroke and two suicides, days afterwards.