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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
January 6 fugitive arrested in Obama’s neighborhood with guns and materials to make Molotov cocktails (referencing a Trump post w/Obama's address)
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Details, detail. We should ignore those minor issues if the sources tell me what I really wish were true. Even better if I get irrationally outraged in the process and it overrides my ability to rationally evaluate if what they're saying makes even the slightest bit of sense.You mean the ones being sued for defamation?
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Older news, but I don't think the actual charges were posted before:
Taranto, 37, of Pasco, Washington, is facing two felony charges of carrying a pistol without a license and possession of a large-capacity ammunition feeding device. He was also charged with four misdemeanors tied to his involvement in the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol breach, court documents show.
The [Jan 6] video was posted with a caption stating, "This is me "stormin' the capitol" lol I'm only sharing this so someone will report me to the feds and we can get this party rolling!"
The Jan. 6 rioter arrested near Obama's home with guns and ammo is indicted
Taranto, 37, of Pasco, Washington, is facing two felony charges of carrying a pistol without a license and possession of a large-capacity ammunition feeding device. He was also charged with four misdemeanors tied to his involvement in the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol breach, court documents show.
The [Jan 6] video was posted with a caption stating, "This is me "stormin' the capitol" lol I'm only sharing this so someone will report me to the feds and we can get this party rolling!"
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Jan. 6 defendant arrested at Obama's home is hit with new felony charges
Online sleuths identified Taylor Taranto in 2021, but he was arrested only after he showed up near the former president's home with weapons in a van, prosecutors say.A federal grand jury returned a superseding indictment against Taylor Taranto
Three of the new charges relate to guns and ammunition that alleged to have been found in Taranto's van when he was arrested. Taranto also faces a felony charge of obstruction of an official proceeding for his conduct on Jan. 6, 2021. He also faces a charge of false information and hoaxes, accused of falsely threatening that he was going to set off an explosive at the National Institute of Standards and Technology before his eventual arrest.
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I'm reminded of the Bundy Ranch standoff. I try to explain to my friends that there are, broadly speaking, two camps in the conservative movement. A few of the things they have in common are the love of the US constitution, and especially the first few amendments. It's one reason they tend to hate the cancel culture so much, and see the second amendment as the right of the people to defend themselves against a tyrannical government.
But here's the problem: One group is constrained by the love of Jesus. They are very slow to anger (via physical violence) and many would only act out in an extremely dire situation and strictly out of self defense. The other, though, is not so constrained. They are the ones that, if it is strongly enough believed that another election was stolen - or violent Islamic sympathizers are causing too much trouble through "side with Palestine" riots - would be willing to more aggressively act out in violence. And I think that will be a real risk this summer and next November. And if that does happen, nobody wins - at least in the short run.
as I've been asking friends for almost a year now, "What do you think the losing side will do after the November election in the US?" Whichever side loses, they've each hinted at an MO.
This perspective was actually the driving force behind adding the last line of my post signature below.
And I sometimes wonder if the film coming out on tax day, "Civil War", will not add fuel to the fire - though I do not advocate for "cancelling" it.
But here's the problem: One group is constrained by the love of Jesus. They are very slow to anger (via physical violence) and many would only act out in an extremely dire situation and strictly out of self defense. The other, though, is not so constrained. They are the ones that, if it is strongly enough believed that another election was stolen - or violent Islamic sympathizers are causing too much trouble through "side with Palestine" riots - would be willing to more aggressively act out in violence. And I think that will be a real risk this summer and next November. And if that does happen, nobody wins - at least in the short run.
as I've been asking friends for almost a year now, "What do you think the losing side will do after the November election in the US?" Whichever side loses, they've each hinted at an MO.
This perspective was actually the driving force behind adding the last line of my post signature below.
And I sometimes wonder if the film coming out on tax day, "Civil War", will not add fuel to the fire - though I do not advocate for "cancelling" it.
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Trial opens for Navy vet arrested near Obama’s DC home in 2023
Investigators found two guns, roughly 400 rounds of ammunition and a machete in Taylor Taranto’s van after he showed up near Obama’s home.
www.militarytimes.com
Taranto was livestreaming video on YouTube in which he said he was looking for “entrance points” to underground tunnels and wanted to get a “good angle on a shot,” according to prosecutors. He reposted Trump’s message about Obama’s home address and wrote, “We got these losers surrounded! See you in hell, Podesta’s and Obama’s.” He was referring to John Podesta, who chaired Hillary Clinton’s 2016 Democratic presidential campaign.
...In Taranto’s case, however, prosecutors said the firearms offenses he faces are “wholly unrelated to the pardon.” Taranto, a Navy veteran from Pasco, Washington, is charged with carrying firearms without a license, with illegally possessing large-capacity magazines and ammunition and with making a hoax bomb threat.
U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, who was nominated by Trump, is hearing testimony and will decide the case without a jury. The government’s first trial witness was an FBI agent who led the frantic search for Taranto after Capitol police investigators watched his livestreamed video and heard what they believed to be a bomb threat.
...In Taranto’s case, however, prosecutors said the firearms offenses he faces are “wholly unrelated to the pardon.” Taranto, a Navy veteran from Pasco, Washington, is charged with carrying firearms without a license, with illegally possessing large-capacity magazines and ammunition and with making a hoax bomb threat.
U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, who was nominated by Trump, is hearing testimony and will decide the case without a jury. The government’s first trial witness was an FBI agent who led the frantic search for Taranto after Capitol police investigators watched his livestreamed video and heard what they believed to be a bomb threat.
Whose rhetoric instigated this?
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DOJ places on leave 2 prosecutors who said 'mob' of 'rioters' carried out Jan. 6 attack
The prosecutors had filed a brief in the case of Taylor Taranto, sources said.The two prosecutors, Carlos Valdivia and Samuel White, were locked out of their government devices and informed Wednesday morning they will be placed on leave, just hours after they filed a sentencing memorandum in the case of Taylor Taranto, the sources said.
Taranto was pardoned by President Donald Trump over his involvement in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol but faced a separate conviction for firearms and threat charges related to a June 2023 arrest near the home of former President Barack Obama where he was found in possession of two guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, as well as a machete.
In their sentencing memorandum, Valdivia and White used only two sentences to detail Taranto's involvement in the Jan. 6 attack.
"On January 6, 2021, thousands of people comprising a mob of rioters attacked the U.S. Capitol while a joint session of Congress met to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election," the memorandum said. "Taranto was accused of participating in the riot in Washington, D.C., by entering the U.S. Capitol Building. After the riot, Taranto returned to his home in the State of Washington, where he promoted conspiracy theories about the events of January 6, 2021."
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Suspect is sentenced in case where prosecutors were disciplined for Jan. 6 reference
A day after the Justice Department withdrew a sentencing memo that described the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol as being carried out by "thousands of people comprising a mob of rioters," the convicted Jan. 6 participant accused in the case was sentenced Thursday to time served.In total, Taranto already served 22 months in pretrial detention following his 2023 arrest, and got credit for good behavior, which led Judge Nichols to say the sentence he had already served was acceptable even given the seriousness of his crimes. [Government had asked for 27 months]
U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, a Trump appointee, did not directly address Valdivia and White's suspensions but heaped praise on them for doing an "excellent job" on Taranto's case and said that, in his experience, they were among the "highest level" of prosecutors in the D.C. U.S. attorney's office.
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If Taranto was under "good behavior" in federal lockup he would get a 15% discount on his sentence. 85% of 27 months is 23 months, so he'd likely be out by Thanksgiving anyway.
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