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Prominent Northern Ireland cleric calls for King Charles to abdicate after prayer with pope
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Yeah. Back in the days of "The Troubles", Paisley, Sr. was quite the player in Northern Ireland's politics; he was actually more rabble-rouser than preacher---he used his pulpit as a stage to launch his bigotry. Him and another so-called "reverend" by the name of Martin Smythe were quite infamous all through the 1970s and early 80s for inciting hatred against the Catholics. I have no idea whatever happened to Smythe, but I do know that Paisley mellowed somewhat during the 1990s while he was involved in peace negotiations with Martin McGuinness, the former chief of staff for the Provisional Irish Republican Army.....amazingly, the two developed a kind of rapport that allowed them to be decent to one another, without actually agreeing with one another.
If you're interested in exploring this further, I would recommend two different resources, both of which can be had from Amazon. The first is a book entitled "Ireland: A Terrible Beauty", by Leon and Jill Uris, first published in 1975. The section in the back dealing with Northern Ireland will give you a pretty good eye-opener for what was going on in Ulster in the mid-1970s, with descriptions of Paisley and Smythe and the activities of the various Protestant militia groups and the British Army:
The second is a movie docu-drama, entitled "The Journey", starring Colm Meaney and Timothy Spall, released in 2016. It portrays the "journey" by car of McGuinness and Paisley as they travel together to the peace talks, and how their mutual hostility gradually loosens up and turns to mutual respect. It gives you a coda at the end telling how the two eventually started working together after the cease-fire between the Protestant hardliners and the IRA in 1999.
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Years ago I worked with an Irish chap in the post office. It was back in the late 70's and early 80's, which was the time of the "troubles".
The topic came up now and again in discussions, especially if there was news of another bombing, and subsequent arrests. He always maintained we knew nothing about it, and I suppose we didn't as we hadn't lived through it.
I don't know if he was from the north or south, but he had a definite Irish accent. Much later I happened to see a eulogy in "The Catholic Leader", our local Catholic paper (now only online as far as I know) as he did a lot of charitable work.
The topic came up now and again in discussions, especially if there was news of another bombing, and subsequent arrests. He always maintained we knew nothing about it, and I suppose we didn't as we hadn't lived through it.
I don't know if he was from the north or south, but he had a definite Irish accent. Much later I happened to see a eulogy in "The Catholic Leader", our local Catholic paper (now only online as far as I know) as he did a lot of charitable work.
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