There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

The flaw in human history is humans. History is re-written countless times for devious reasons - profit, prestige, vain glory, vanity.
As written God made everything (everything) simple;
men came up with many devices (not a good thing).

Aaron112 said:

counterfeits

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BCP1928 said:

Fact: you don't know for sure what they had.

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Aaron112 said:

hmmmm..... maybe they had .....

a dremel ?

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stevevw said:

I have. I cited Chris Dunn with 50 plus years experience including working in Aerospace prcision tooling. I linked Nick Sierra and Alex Dunn both experts in precision tooling at the Aerospace level. Christopher King of Precision Components an expert in precision tooling. Also Yousef Awyan an expert stone mason and Egyptologist who makes these vases at the foot of the pyramids and grew up among these ancient works.

But I have also cited articles that are not about precision vases and before this was an issue. Just ordinary archeologists on the history who refer to lathes or rotating devices that were needed to make these vases. I even cited skeptics on this thread who claim to be experts and agreed that some sort of lathing was required.

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Some sort of lathing was probably required. I don't think you are getting much pushback on that alone.

stevevw said:

Ironically it seems its ok for those disagreeing to cite their own opinion without any qualification and evidence but when I cite actual qualified experts at NASA level they are whackos and don't count.

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On what basis do you show contempt for my training and experience? How about sjastro? He's got the expertise and knows more about metrology than I ever will, as he has amply demonstrated here. On what basis do you distain his contributions?

stevevw said:

Thats a silly arguement. I could say you don't know. We could be forever dismissing stuff under that logic. We do know from what is current factual evidence that there was no lathe or wheel. It is cited as the consensus in archeology.

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We don't know that there wasn't any lathing. Stonecutting lathes didn't necessarily contain any moving parts, so the absence of evidence for a wheel is of no account.

stevevw said:

Some on this thread were just saying that because I can't show what created these signatures therefore its not evidence.

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No, you misunderstood them. The signatures are what they are and they are evidence of something, some process that we didn't know the Egyptians used. That's what they are evidence of. Period, The signatures resemble those of a modern machine tool process, but they are not evidence of such a process. Think that through a few times before you respond.

stevevw said:

They used the absense of any device as evidence that it did not exist. Now your using the exact same logic to say that non existent devices may have been available as evidence.

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Not quite, and you will have to pay attention because it is an important point. Non-existant devices are not evidence, Non-existant evidence is not evidence of anything, Nobody used the absence of any device to prove that it did not exist. No one is using the absence of any device to prove that it did exist. If you thought that was happening then you were just confused or maybe we were not clear. Think that through a few times before you respond.

Remember you are the one who asserts that not only is there is no evidence that the Naqada craftsmen had a suitable technique to produce those vases, but moreover that it was impossible for them to even devise it. Impossible is a pretty big word, and I don't think even the looniest of your sources goes that far. And that is what you are getting all the heat about.

Back to Bible: In Bible, Who Gives Skill to the Craftsmen?

Aaron112 said:

Back to Bible: In Bible, Who Gives Skill to the Craftsmen?

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Amen. But Steve apparently doesn't think God gave much of it to the Naqada craftsmen.

BCP1928 said:

Amen. But Steve apparently doesn't think God gave much of it to the Naqada craftsmen.

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What I think, what you think, what anyone thinks, does not matter.

What God thinks, what God does, matters.

Who / when were they who were idolaters who craved evil things? And they were revelers and drunkards who acted immorally.

And they were those who tested God and who grumbled against the Lord and Moses, God’s servant,

thinking that God would not punish them for their rebellion and disobedience.

And these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. And they were written down for our instruction as examples.

So, what is the message for us here? We need to be careful that we do not come up short of entering into God’s eternal rest. And how might that happen? The same way in which it happened to the Israelites who disobeyed God, who continued to walk in sin, in direct defiance of God’s commands, and for whom obedience to God and to his commands was not their practice.

For they did not desire obedience to God, but they craved evil things.

Aaron112 said:

Who / when were they who were idolaters who craved evil things? And they were revelers and drunkards who acted immorally.

And they were those who tested God and who grumbled against the Lord and Moses, God’s servant,

thinking that God would not punish them for their rebellion and disobedience.

And these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. And they were written down for our instruction as examples.

So, what is the message for us here? We need to be careful that we do not come up short of entering into God’s eternal rest. And how might that happen? The same way in which it happened to the Israelites who disobeyed God, who continued to walk in sin, in direct defiance of God’s commands, and for whom obedience to God and to his commands was not their practice.

For they did not desire obedience to God, but they craved evil things.

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Take it to another thread.

stevevw said:

I am saying you naturally referred to some sort of turntable because its logical and common sense to do so. We don't even know we are doing it because its such an accepted and natural conslusion to pottery or vases with high roundness. You think what could create such good roundness. You thinkl of a turning device and not the coil method or by chisel ect.

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Are you trying to be some kind psychologist here? Please note, I'm using turntables for the forebearers to the potter's wheel , and they were around in the near east during the time period. If they were used by the Naqada culture is as of now uncertain, and we might never know with certainty that is just how science goes. I'm not opposed to anyone trying to find out, but there is no guarantee that we ever get an answer.

stevevw said:

I was actually thinking of another example that may be interesting to investigate. The electromagnetism and possible energy generation from the ancients. There may be some interesting discoveries. I am not saying there is anything to this. But that it would be interesting to investigate because well it would be amazing of true and would add strong evidence of adbanced knowledge.

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Have you read the simulation study yet? Is there anyone actually measuring the the radiowaves in the chambers? What do the electromagnetism guys (the non-academic ones) think is the source of the electromagnetic waves?