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I think it is safe to say that all of us party to this discussion believe that it is your main point and the reason you brought up vases in the first place.
That's because it is speculation and nothing else.
Na sorry, like last time we cannot resolve anything. You have your opinion and I have mine. I tried to explain but your not listening.
More logical fallacies. This time authority. Everyone agrees with me that you are wrong. Yet not one ounce of evidence. Show me where I said this. I bet you can't because I havn't.
Its easy to say words. Harder to support them. If the vases were all spectualtion then why were we arguing about the science as to whether they involved advanced tech. Is not proving advanced tech such as machining a science and not spectualtion. Tell me how science of measuring the vases is speculation.
OK, that's fine. I can only speak to the subject of achieving precise work using hand tools based on my own experience. If everybody here disagrees with me I don't care because I can still get paid for actually doing it. I suppose you could get more money than I do because you have your "common sense" which beats training and experience every time, right?
I don't know, but you are the one who brought up pre-flood civilizations.
No, I was here the whole time but early on I was just interested in countering the fatuous nonsense you were peddling about what precision is in a general way and how it is achieved both in the modern day and in the past.
Nobody says measuring the vases was a "speculation." See, what your sources have shown is that Naqada craftsmen may have produced objects with tools and techniques we don't know about.
But then by the same logic I can quote experts in the field which agree with me and beat your expertise lol. If citing experts is the way to win an arguement.
Not in the way your talking. I simply mentioned that the idea of a culture having advanced knowledge and being wiped out in a fairly short time is plausable considering the massive floods that happened around 10,000 years ago. But lost advanced knowledge is not dependent on some flood. Just that they had knowledge and for whatever reason they disappeared.
Then you know we were deep into the science and not some fantasy. Disputing the precision is about the science and we were debating the technical aspect of precision. This was for a major part of the thread. But most of my posts were about the out of place images based on reverse engineering the marks on the stones. Nothing to do with any Atlantis.
But thats factual not spectulation. Fact we found the vases with the Naqada culture. Fact the are at a level that required some sort of lathing due to their high symmetry and circularity. Fact they did not have lathes or the potters wheel.
Only some vases have provenance going back to archeological digs. The rest are not informational.
Not fact, the well-provenanced vases are not necessarily of qualities that need some kind of lathing.
But they might have had non-inertial turntables.
Yes and thats why I expanded the examples to show its not just in the vases. Thus adding weight overall that this is not just a one off example or limited by provedence.
So just about everyone recognised this. Even general archeology when speaking about the Naqada people say there must have been some sort of lathing or wheel.
Lol you just literally said that the precision vases are not necessarily qual;ities of lathing. Now your arguing that they might have had some sort of turning table thus agreeing that it took some sort of turning mechanism.
Do I have to tell you. When are most massive flooding attributed to. Which period of time. Would it be when there was a lot of ice to let which gradually covered all the land bridges and raised the ocean levels by something like 300 feet. Why many ruins off coasts are under up to 200 feet in water.
Why can't it be one method and you are only presenting examples from each end of the quality spectrum?
Do they, the general archeology people I mean?
Could be involved, or was involved?
No, me saying that there might have been turntables does not mean that I'm arguing that they was necessary. What you state after your "thus" does not follow what precedes it. It is A source of good circularity and symmetry but not the only source of either of them.
That makes not sense at all. If its the same method, say a turning wheel then the signature is going to be much the same. If its not turning device then the signatures are going to be the same but different to the turned vases.
Yes. Even general articles on the predynastic and Naqada period mention some sort of turning was involved. Flinders Petrie who is the main archeologist who discovered most of these works mentions some sort of lathe was involved.
Well was involved because they are using the idea that simple lathing can explain the good circularity. There was a period for a number of pages where we were arguing about how complex the lathing device would have to be.
I am saying you naturally referred to some sort of turntable because its logical and common sense to do so. We don't even know we are doing it because its such an accepted and natural conslusion to pottery or vases with high roundness. You think what could create such good roundness. You thinkl of a turning device and not the coil method or by chisel ect.
Yes and it may be ;ike other discoveries such as GT that we have to push back our understanding of what level of knowledge and tech these ancients have.
The illdefined "mists of time".
Which took thousands of years.
Of hunter-gather villages. No advanced civilizations.
Floods from ice dams only affected people down stream of them, which were low population areas. They were localized and periodic, not globalized.
[citation needed]
This bit of temporally vague hand waving covers thousands of years and relies on suppositions about the origins of myths.
Pick a lane. These aren't floods.
