Any Old School Holiness Pentecostals?

John Sharman said:

Misinformed? About what? I only said that "Holiness" churches aren't a thing in Australia - we don't call them by that name here. And no, I'm not Catholic, I'm a baptised-in-the-Spirit Pentecostal.

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fantastic to hear that, what are the holiness churches called there ?

Michie said:

One of my very good friends is Holiness Pentecostal. One of the sweetest ladies you’d ever want to meet. ♥️

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here i Eastern Okla. there are several and some are even building new buildings. the Holy Ghost is still evident as Jesus is alive !

Until coming to this forum just a short time ago, I had never heard of the "holiness movement" or "holiness Pentecostals". Despite a decade or more in an on-fire Pentecostal church here in Australia during the 1980s, and subsequent Christian involvement, I'd never heard those terms. I take them to be American terms, not used in other countries.

The thing is, there was a strong emphasis on personal holiness in that Pentecostal church that I was in anyway, so I can't see why the name "holiness" would be tacked on.

So I've been researching online, and here's a part of what I've found, from this Wikipedia article entitled Holiness Pentecostalism:
Holiness Pentecostalism is the original branch of Pentecostalism, which is characterized by its teaching of three works of grace: [1] the New Birth (first work of grace), [2] entire sanctification (second work of grace), and [3] Spirit baptism evidenced by speaking in tongues (third work of grace).

OK, the "third work of grace", according to this article, is Spirit baptism evidenced by speaking in tongues. But what if that was one's first experience of coming to the Lord? Thus it was with me. Prior to that experience, I had no Christian beliefs at all. There were no "first or second works of grace" for me.

Furthermore, that "first work of grace" is here called "the New Birth". But you see, I was taught that Spirit baptism, evidenced by speaking in tongues, actually is the New Birth.

So, you see, this is all a little confusing to me. Any further enlightenment would be welcome.

markbrewer said:

what is "holiness"?

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In Scripture "holy" means set apart <by The Creator> from the world, from the flesh, from carnality?, set apart and always away from, not a part of , different from , the flesh and the worldly and the carnality of people/ society.
It is always an adjective, never a name nor a title in Scripture.

markbrewer said:

What is "holiness"?

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It's a lot more than just putting on an outward appearance of clean living, for starters. I'm reminded of Matthew 23:27-28...

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

And Matthew 7:15...

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

(KJV renderings)

Many churches have a strong focus on making the vessel look clean on the outside - on not drinking alcohol, on avoiding profanities, and so on, but they tend to ignore the very real issue of egotism. Their congregations are of full of people still completely under the sway of their egos. This is where Eastern spiritual traditions, such as Advaita Vedanta, can be instructive - they emphasize that the ego is an illusion, and that what we really are is something way beyond that.

Kokavkrystallos said:

said a woman couldn't be saved if she wore pants!

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Really?

''I think "Holiness" churches used to concentrate on outer holiness, whereas now, a lot think about more inner holiness. Though, the outer holiness would probably come automatically with the inner.

I am a Holiness pastor, except I preach inner holiness.''

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