The Economist: Trump's approval rating crashes!

eclipsenow · Monday at 2:27 AM

The way some here talk about Trump - I wonder if they know what they're in for in the mid-terms?

Americans are not just disappointed with how he has handled bread-and-butter issues such as inflation and the economy. They also don’t like his approach to issues that were central to his appeal, like immigration and crime. Despite that, he continues to aggressively push unpopular policies. On this page The Economist is tracking Americans’ opinions week by week, throughout the presidency.

Mr Trump was re-elected on a wave of economic pessimism, telling voters that “incomes will skyrocket, inflation will vanish completely, jobs will come roaring back and the middle class will prosper like never, ever before” during his second term. So far they have been disappointed. Ratings of his handling of the economy and inflation were net positive shortly after his inauguration. They have since fallen to strongly negative in the wake of his declarations of trade war and the ensuing response of investors. YouGov’s data also suggest Americans now disapprove of his handling of immigration, another issue central to his re-election.

...But the projection also shows how dissatisfaction with Mr Trump is widespread even in states that voted for him just a few months ago. The numbers will make anxious reading for Republicans facing competitive races in next year’s midterm elections.

Donald Trump’s approval rating

Follow our presidential approval rating poll tracker to see how favourably Americans view Mr Trump

www.economist.com

Servus · Monday at 2:43 AM

Left leaning media showing bad ratings for Trump according to around 1500 subscribers.

eclipsenow · Monday at 3:48 AM

Servus said:
Left leaning media showing bad ratings for Trump according to around 1500 subscribers.

SimplyMe · Monday at 5:32 AM

Servus said:
Left leaning media showing bad ratings for Trump according to around 1500 subscribers.

I realize this tends to be the "go to" response for many on the Right, however it doesn't seem to fit here. Instead, The Economist is a well regarded publication, one that is highly factual, that attempts to be in the Center, and is largely judged to keep bias out and articles tend to be politically neutral.

Servus · Monday at 6:05 AM

SimplyMe said:
I realize this tends to be the "go to" response for many on the Right, however it doesn't seem to fit here. Instead, The Economist is a well regarded publication, one that is highly factual, that attempts to be in the Center, and is largely judged to keep bias out and articles tend to be politically neutral.

Based on what I looked up it leans left.

"subscribers to The Economist likely align with liberal or centrist positions".

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist-media-bias

eclipsenow · Monday at 6:36 AM

Servus said:
Based on what I looked up it leans left.

"subscribers to The Economist likely align with liberal or centrist positions".

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist-media-bias

Wrong - if anything I feel it leans right somewhat. As someone who actually listens to their podcast. But maybe that's my Australian perspective. Given Americans now think objective facts like the physics of the radiative forcing of CO2 are now somehow "political" as rated by the hard right alternative facts universe of MAGA - I wonder if more objective reporting is now being skewed as left because they accept physics.

The Media Bias fact check rates the economist as smack bang on centre, and high quality of factual reporting.

Servus · Monday at 6:56 AM

eclipsenow said:
Wrong - if anything I feel it leans right somewhat. As someone who actually listens to their podcast. But maybe that's my Australian perspective. Given Americans now think objective facts like the physics of the radiative forcing of CO2 are now somehow "political" as rated by the hard right alternative facts universe of MAGA - I wonder if more objective reporting is now being skewed as left because they accept physics.

The Media Bias fact check rates the economist as smack bang on centre, and high quality of factual reporting.

I didn't say it wasn't factual. I said: "Left leaning media showing bad ratings for Trump according to around 1500 subscribers". Specifically it was 1,622 out of 1.25 million subscribers. Which means 892 people disapprove.

GoldenBoy89 · Monday at 9:49 AM

Servus said:
Left leaning media showing bad ratings for Trump according to around 1500 subscribers.

That’s why you gotta look at more than one poll.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating#

I take it you’re in the 40 something % that still approves of the job he’s doing.

Say it aint so · Monday at 10:57 AM

GoldenBoy89 said:
That’s why you gotta look at more than one poll.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating#

I take it you’re in the 40 something % that still approves of the job he’s doing.

I mean wow. The lack of curiosity isn't good for one's stand of being confidently wrong. If one looked at Real Clear Politics where they use multiple polls, it bears out The Economist being correct. If anything the suspicion should be with the outliers who have Trump with a higher approval rating. But they are the usual suspects.

iluvatar5150 · Monday at 2:04 PM

Servus said:
Based on what I looked up it leans left.

"subscribers to The Economist likely align with liberal or centrist positions".

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist-media-bias

That's because libs are more likely to read, while conservatives are more likely to watch tv. On top of that, conservatives are more likely to listen to hyperpartisan garbage. I like this chart because it shows the distribution of news and opinion outlets along a spectrum of straight reporting-partisan hyperbole. You can see that the left side is skewed way more towards straight reporting and fact-dense analysis at the top, whereas the right side is almost devoid of that, being clustered around opinion and what is essentially propaganda. Anything that deals in straight reporting is naturally going to have a larger audience among the left/center.

Aryeh Jay · Monday at 3:09 PM

I conducted a poll in my household and Trump's approval rating was 110% with a 5% margin of error.

BCP1928 · Monday at 3:51 PM

Aryeh Jay said:
I conducted a poll in my household and Trump's approval rating was 110% with a 5% margin of error.

I did, too. The cat is still undecided, which seems ungrateful to the man who kept Hatians from eating him.

Servus · Monday at 4:35 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
That's because libs are more likely to read, while conservatives are more likely to watch tv.

According to what study? Surely there must be data charts to back up this often heard claim.

iluvatar5150 said:
On top of that, conservatives are more likely to listen to hyperpartisan garbage. I like this chart because it shows the distribution of news and opinion outlets along a spectrum of straight reporting-partisan hyperbole. You can see that the left side is skewed way more towards straight reporting and fact-dense analysis at the top, whereas the right side is almost devoid of that, being clustered around opinion and what is essentially propaganda. Anything that deals in straight reporting is naturally going to have a larger audience among the left/center.

So the left-wing is always claiming. But really it's just simply anything that satisfies leftist conformation bias.

Servus · Monday at 4:52 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
That’s why you gotta look at more than one poll.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating#

I take it you’re in the 40 something % that still approves of the job he’s doing.

What difference does it make? It's not going to affect his term in office and he won't be running for reelection. Outside of that, polls always only consist of an infinitesimal percentage of voters, and the results will always depend on which demographic is being polled.

GoldenBoy89 · Monday at 5:01 PM

Servus said:
What difference does it make?

It gives a more accurate picture, for people who care about that kind of thing.

Servus said:
It's not going to affect his term in office and he won't be running for reelection.

It does show the administration to be out of step with what a majority of voters think. That won’t affect Trump’s current term or any delusions of reelection but it could be bad news for others trying to prop up this administration and run on their same agenda.

Servus said:
Outside of that, polls always only consist of an infinitesimal percentage of voters, and the results will always depend on which demographic is being polled.

That’s how polling has always worked.

Pommer · Monday at 5:07 PM

Still using the left-right political spectrum seems a bit Pollyanna-ish at this juncture.

Servus · Monday at 5:14 PM

Pommer said:
Still using the left-right political spectrum seems a bit Pollyanna-ish at this juncture.

There's not much Pollyanna coming from the left. Quite the opposite really. We're all doomed and they're mad as a hornet over it.

eclipsenow · Monday at 6:05 PM

Servus said:
I didn't say it wasn't factual. I said: "Left leaning media showing bad ratings for Trump according to around 1500 subscribers". Specifically it was 1,622 out of 1.25 million subscribers. Which means 892 people disapprove.

What are you talking about? I'm talking about Media Bias Fact check:-

It is widely used, but it has been criticized for its methodology.[6] Scientific studies[7] using its ratings note that ratings from Media Bias/Fact Check show high agreement with an independent fact checking dataset from 2017,[8] with NewsGuard [9] and with BuzzFeed journalists.[10]

Media Bias/Fact Check - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Economist - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion

mediabiasfactcheck.com

iluvatar5150 · Monday at 6:59 PM

Servus said:
According to what study? Surely there must be data charts to back up this often heard claim.

The data comes from Pew's polling on what media outlets each side regularly consumes:

Americans are divided by party in the sources they turn to for political news

To a large degree, the pattern of partisan polarization that emerges in attitudes about the credibility of news sources is also evident in the sources

www.pewresearch.org

The theory might come from Richard Hanania's substack:

Liberals Read, Conservatives Watch TV

Explaining why Trump emerged on the right, why only liberals debate filibuster reform, how anti-vax became a partisan issue, how David Shor is half right, "Dems are the real racists" and much else.

www.richardhanania.com

Interestingly, and I didn't know this until right now because I'm unfamiliar with the rest of his work and wouldn't have guess it from skimming that piece, Hanania is very right-wing:

Richard Hanania - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Servus said:
So the left-wing is always claiming. But really it's just simply anything that satisfies leftist conformation bias.

You're free to challenge the arrangement on that page by posting a list of outlets that lean conservative and do a bunch of fact reporting and/or fact-heavy analysis.

Richard T · Monday at 9:26 PM

The economist used "yougov" data. They were not invovled in the survey. Here is what google ai says about yougov. "YouGov's data consists of information from its online research panel of millions of registered members, which is used to provide insights into public opinion, consumer behavior, and market trends for commercial, political, and social purposes. This proprietary data is collected through surveys and other research methods and powers products like BrandIndex for brand perception tracking and Reports for market intelligence." Even if it were off, the deterioration in Trump's ratings show a trend.

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