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It's just one of the many delightful things about Donald Trump lying to the world, and the far right lapping it all up like gold.
In the meantime it might be good to brush up on how much undocumented immigrants contribute to GDP, and how much less crime they commit than the average American-born citizen. It makes sense. The undocumented immigrants have come from such horrible circumstances and risked incurring the wrath of the world's richest superpower, by entering illegally, that they just want a chance to hunker down and keep their nose clean.
They want to live a calm, quiet, safe life where their teenage daughters will not be kidnapped!
And Trump calls them the rapists! So he's going to send in the national guard to beat up on poor families that have already been traumatised. What a Christian nation! What a compassionate policy!
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I think you should focus on your own country instead of ours.
Australia Passes Harsh New Anti-Migration Laws
Just think how much better it would be if those workers were documented and we were able to make sure the rapists and murderers and gang members and cartels were not coming with the normals.
They wouldnt have to hunker down at all. That would be better for them and us.
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Thats a bit over dramatic. The NG will be there to protect the agents.
Its your kind of rhetoric that will get people hurt.
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I'm concerned about everyone. His kind of rhetoric is going to be part of people attacking the NG. And the NG who are there to protect the agents will respond.
Someone, the NG or other citizens attacking them will.get hurt. This is a prime example of the concerns I have with this kind of rhetoric. It amps people up into thinking that they are justified in attacking their fellow citizens who happen to be doing their jobs becauae they think they are their enemies. Then the others end up defending themselves and someone gets hurt.
No citizen in this country would put up with driving down the street and having other citizens attacking them. These moronic protestirs wouldnt put up with the attacks they put on others.
I'm sorry, but the people in these areas are out of control and violent. And its the rhetoric they have been inundated with and the support they receive from their own side has emboldened them to be that way. And I think many on their side WANT people to get hurt so they can justify more violence.
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Oh we DEFINITELY have our own human rights violations to answer for!
But Australia's little. America's got the biggest military in the world - and Trump's NPD means we could be in the next equivalent of the Cuban Missile Crisis if he misses his narcissistic supply one morning.
All of which are at LOWER rates than the American-born population - which you keep avoiding.
You forget - the hunkering down is what they want.
A hardworking quiet life - and to be left alone.
It's a shame Americans do not have the same attitude - and have so much more crime and rape and theft and murder in their population!
I heard that Americans were 'eating the dogs' - and had double the rapists and thieves and murderers of the average immigrant!
Because that is what the studies above show.
Which you studiously avoided.
MAGA - the party that doesn't disagree with the Democrats over policy, but over reality itself.
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What about "they're sending their rapists"
"They're poisoning the blood"
"They're the worst - they're not even humans - I call them animals"
They're eating the dogs."
Isn't THAT the rhetoric that gets people riled up and violent? Oh wait - but that might imply he's dog whistling to white supremacists - we can't have that! The President of the United States of America would never say anything that blatant!
"Proud Boys - stand back and stand by."
No wonder they claimed him as one of their own!
These people see the families they care about seized by men in masks.
When was the last time I saw a show with that many men in masks just grabbing people off the street?
Oh yeah... nothing to see here - move along!
But at least Portland have their own men in masks!
"Frogs, stand back and stand by!"
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Another conspiracy? Man you never stop do you. Like I said, spend the time criticizing your own before you focus on ours. Australia has no room to talk.
I don't believe it. But even if it were true its irrelevant. Americans we HAVE to put up with. What we DON'T have to put up with are those from other countries.
Then they should come legally.
The studies are bogus. Ive already discussed that.
Which Americans? I bet you know which ones per capita are doing the crime. The question is, would you admit it.
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Yeah those criminals are animals. Anyone who is a rapist, murderer, drug dealer, cartel member, child traffickers, sex trafficker is nothing more than an animal.
Nope because we aren't seeing a huge increase in violence against the illegal immigrants by those who dont support it. But we are seeing an uptick in violence from those who DO support illegal immigration. Yeah its the lefts rhetoric that is helping to cause that.
And I personally do not support any rhetoric. Some of Trump's rhetoric is certainly too much for my taste.
Yeah he was try to get them to back off.
You are getting pretty silly now.
Irrelevant.
You think this is star wars now? I cant wait to see Trump start shooting lightning out of his fingers.
Man equating the picking up of illegal aliens with the Empire which controlled the Universe with an iron fist and a death star is a bit hysterical.
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It's not a conspiracy theory to point out what NPD is and does!
It's just a medical fact. As the article I linked to says:
A second psychologist, Dr Vince Greenwood, says people with Trump’s condition “exhibit a grandiose sense of self import, derive pleasure from causing harm, and are incapable of caring about other people’s feelings.”
And a third, Dr Diane Pomerantz, continues the explanation by adding: “This explains Donald Trump’s pathological lies, misogyny, his admiration for dictators and his criminal behavior.”
The advertisement concludes with a psychologist named Dr John Gartner stating that Trump “has no choice but to be a malignant narcissist,” and adding that voters can choose whether to put him back in the White House — or not...
...“If it wasn’t clear by his erratic, self-obsessed behavior, his pathological lying, his lack of moral conscience, his assaults of women, and his blatant disregard for the safety of others, more than 200 experts agree that he is unfit for office,” Conway said. “Voters need to recognize the threat we face electing this deranged man.”
NPD in the Oval Office is just plain dangerous.The immigrant studies are not bogus just because you assert they are.
They come from the best analysis of various credible government department data.
It's not my fault you don't want to hear the reality - I'm just the messenger.
But - now that you KNOW (even though you're denying it publicly) that aliens should SHOULD ACTUALLY fear theft and rape and murder from AMERICANS at up to four times the rate Americans might fear that from aliens - you are a more informed adult.
You're welcome.
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