Labor Dept warns Immigration Policies Threaten Stability of the Domestic Food Supply

rjs330 · 2025-10-13T16:44:23-0500

BCP1928 said:
The left wants them here to do the work, but they want them here free from exploitation.

Then we are on the same side. We want them here LEGALLY to do the work and be free from exploitation. It sounds like thats what you want too.

BCP1928 said:
Yes, that pretty much sums up the Left's position. Now all we have to is get MAGA on board with it.

I think MAGA is on board with it. There should be a two pronged approach. ICE should expel every illegal working the farms and charge the farmers with violations. Congress should create a better program to allow and document foreign workers who want to work the farms for legal wages.

ralliann · 2025-10-13T16:53:57-0500

Richard T said:
Yes, but if it went into the hands of a certain elite, they could run the crops more like a cartel, or just depend on the government for their subsidies. Either way they win, the rest lose. While this example might be wrong, this is what is wrong with contemporary America. Too much wealth in the hands of a few. I think God is going to correct that though. The USA is currently at the same level of inequality as occurred in 1929 before the crash.

Whose hands do you prefer to put it in? Government or those that earned it?

BCP1928 · 2025-10-13T16:58:53-0500

rjs330 said:
Then we are on the same side. We want them here LEGALLY to do the work and be free from exploitation. It sounds like thats what you want too.

I think MAGA is on board with it. There should be a two pronged approach. ICE should expel every illegal working the farms and charge the farmers with violations. Congress should create a better program to allow and document foreign workers who want to work the farms for legal wages.

The problem with MAGA is that the are too concerned with aliens as evil invaders.

bèlla · 2025-10-13T17:12:51-0500

rjs330 said:
Congress should create a better program to allow and document foreign workers who want to work the farms for legal wages.

There’s an initiative on the Project 2025 Tracker regarding H-2B seasonal non agricultural visas. But I went to the mandate and found this on the H-2A visa which represents agricultural workers.

Page 643 of the 2025 Presidential Transition Report

Richard T · 2025-10-13T17:30:58-0500

ralliann said:
Whose hands do you prefer to put it in? Government or those that earned it?

I prefer more equality where the working class enjoy a greater share of the benefits. To me they earned it.

Often the most wealthy do not earn it. Why? 1. They pay far less tax on their investment income. than those with only paychecks 2. They rich often receive lots of company subsidies and assistance from the government as well. Tesla for instance received billions. 3. The ultra wealthy often violate fair competition and continue as always to promote their own power by building roadblocks against those who desire to compete.

from ai google "Whether U.S. corporations are "too monopolized" is a subject of ongoing debate, but data suggests a significant increase in market concentration since the 1980s, with many industries becoming more oligopolistic. Companies in sectors like technology, retail, and healthcare face scrutiny and legal challenges over anti-competitive practices, with concerns raised about high prices and reduced consumer choice."

So I prefer small government who cares for the working class first, knowing that without a strong middle class, democracy may waver. That the middle class is quite the driver of development and a good economy.
"Mounting evidence suggests that the growing size of the middle class is conducive to better economic and political outcomes. This argument is supported by historical anecdotes on the role of bourgeois in European democracies, as well as extant cross-country literature on the nexus between the size of middle class and economic and political conditions (Moore, 1966, Barro, 1999, Easterly, 2001, Easterly et al., 2006, Banerjee and Duflo, 2008, Solimano, 2009, Amoranto et al., 2010, Loayza et al., 2012; and Wietzke and Sumner 2014).2
Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1059056015001719

Aaron112 · 2025-10-13T17:35:24-0500

Richard T said:
I prefer more equality where the working class enjoy a greater share of the benefits. To me they earned it.

The ruling powers all over the earth don't care. They even treat God's children like chattel (commodities to be traded, used, bought and sold).

Aaron112 · 2025-10-13T17:37:35-0500

wing2000 said:
Imagine that? Americans are unwilling to harvest their own food.

No need to imagine that. Look through the last 200 years to see ....
And those who would grow , harvest, provide their own food and enough for others,
have been coerced to stop over the last 50 years.

ralliann · 2025-10-13T17:41:09-0500

Richard T said:
I prefer more equality where the working class enjoy a greater share of the benefits. To me they earned it.

Often the most wealthy do not earn it. Why? 1. They pay far less tax on their investment income. than those with only paychecks 2. They rich often receive lots of company subsidies and assistance from the government as well. Tesla for instance received billions. 3. The ultra wealthy often violate fair competition and continue as always to promote their own power by building roadblocks against those who desire to compete.

from ai google "Whether U.S. corporations are "too monopolized" is a subject of ongoing debate, but data suggests a significant increase in market concentration since the 1980s, with many industries becoming more oligopolistic. Companies in sectors like technology, retail, and healthcare face scrutiny and legal challenges over anti-competitive practices, with concerns raised about high prices and reduced consumer choice."

So I prefer small government who cares for the working class first, knowing that without a strong middle class, democracy may waver. That the middle class is quite the driver of development and a good economy.
"Mounting evidence suggests that the growing size of the middle class is conducive to better economic and political outcomes. This argument is supported by historical anecdotes on the role of bourgeois in European democracies, as well as extant cross-country literature on the nexus between the size of middle class and economic and political conditions (Moore, 1966, Barro, 1999, Easterly, 2001, Easterly et al., 2006, Banerjee and Duflo, 2008, Solimano, 2009, Amoranto et al., 2010, Loayza et al., 2012; and Wietzke and Sumner 2014).2
Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1059056015001719

Government then heh? Not that many hands either. Just switching to bureaucrats is all.

ralliann · 2025-10-13T18:08:39-0500

Aaron112 said:
The ruling powers all over the earth don't care. They even treat God's children like chattel (commodities to be traded, used, bought and sold).

Exactly. Immigrants are coming from governments that control all the wealth. It goes into their hands. Now these want them to come here so we can give money over to feed them ect. Nah, they just like people that are used to this. And appreciate a kind good country, not realizing they are being used. to break this country.

bèlla · 2025-10-14T09:04:32-0500

Why Billionaire Companies Are BUYING Up Farmland in Ohio

This video was produced by a real estate agent in Ohio who confirmed what I posted earlier about farmland. He shares what’s happening locally and how the land is being used for data centers and related services.

~bella

iluvatar5150 · 2025-10-14T10:01:35-0500

bèlla said:
Why Billionaire Companies Are BUYING Up Farmland in Ohio

This video was produced by a real estate agent in Ohio who confirmed what I posted earlier about farmland. He shares what’s happening locally and how the land is being used for data centers and related services.

~bella

I didn't say they weren't buying up land. They obviously are. What I'm saying is that the quantity of land they're acquiring is miniscule relative to the quantity of farmland that exists and that the cost of the land is only a small percentage of the total cost of the project, such that undermining the entire ag industry would be silly. He may be right about the resource strain, but the rest of his comments are exaggerative and needlessly alarmist. 500-1000 acres is not a "huge footprint" carved out of farmland. It's big for a factory, but 1000 acres is only about 1.5 sq miles. Driving by on the highway, you'd pass that in about a minute.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-10-14T10:05:10-0500

wing2000 said:
The Labor Department warned in an obscure document filed with the Federal Register last week that “the near total cessation of the inflow of illegal aliens” is threatening “the stability of domestic food production and prices for U.S. consumers.”

Also, contradicting comments made by Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins that the U.S. farm workforce will become “100 percent American” as an effect of mass deportations, the Labor Department noted that Americans are not willing to step into farm work and lack the skills to fill agricultural jobs that undocumented immigrants are abandoning.

“The Department concludes that qualified and eligible U.S. workers will not make themselves available in sufficient numbers,” the agency said.

Doc:
"...the Department concludes, based on all available evidence and studies, that immediate reform to the H-2A program's minimum wage policy, or the AEWRs, is necessary to avoid imminent widespread disruption across the U.S. agricultural sector. Without prompt action, agricultural employers will face severe labor shortages, resulting in disruption to food production, higher prices, and reduced access for U.S. consumers, particularly to fresh fruit and vegetables. Further, the Department concludes that qualified and eligible U.S. workers will not make themselves available in sufficient numbers, even at current wage levels, to fill the significant labor shortage in the agricultural sector. As discussed in detail below, the reforms contained in this IFR of the H-2A program's wage policy are urgently needed to restore the usability of the H-2A program and to provide a practical, lawful workforce alternative to illegal aliens. These changes ensure that agricultural employers offer fair wages to legally authorized workers—consistent with wages paid in comparable farm and non-farm jobs—while maintaining compliance with immigration law and supporting the stability of the nation's food supply.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/10/11/immigration-crackdown-food-prices/

Imagine that? Americans are unwilling to harvest their own food.

The same arguments were made by Democrats regarding the abolishing of slavery. "If we free the slaves, who is going to pick our cotton?"

Oompa Loompa · 2025-10-14T10:09:49-0500

Desk trauma said:
For the pay offered. Why does that part always get left off the sentence?

Young people today dont want to trouble themselves with honest manual labor. More than likely, there will be an increase in automation.

BCP1928 · 2025-10-14T10:24:03-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Young people today dont want to trouble themselves with honest manual labor. More than likely, there will be an increase in automation.

Yeah, those greedy, lazy young people of today want better pay and working conditions, manual labor or not.

bèlla · 2025-10-14T10:33:19-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Young people today dont want to trouble themselves with honest manual labor. More than likely, there will be an increase in automation.

Have you ever been a farmhand or did work of that nature? I spent a season on a local production farm to learn how to garden but I wouldn’t want to do it for a living nor are young people required to follow suit. Automation is the future and I posted articles from WSJ acknowledging the same and they’re already doing it. Most farmers don’t want to pay a livable wage. They want the cheapest labor they can get.

~bella

BPPLEE · 2025-10-14T10:34:19-0500

BCP1928 said:
Yeah, those greedy, lazy young people of today want better pay and working conditions, manual labor or not.

They have to have time to protest

Oompa Loompa · 2025-10-14T10:54:03-0500

BCP1928 said:
Yeah, those greedy, lazy young people of today want better pay and working conditions, manual labor or not.

Doesn't matter what the pay or conditions are. They just don't want to get their hands dirty, preferring the comfort of an office than in a field environment.

Gen Z isn't looking to make blue collar work a career

While some of Gen Z are filling trade positions, data suggests few intend to stay there for the long haul.

www.newsweek.com

The bottom line is that Gen Z would rather remain unemployed and living with their parents while looking for a job with good pay and working conditions that doesn't involve getting their hands dirty. Many of them would prefer settling for a job with lower pay with ideal working conditions than higher paying jobs what require them to sweat. For many of Gen Z, blue collar is beneath them.

ralliann · 2025-10-14T11:01:17-0500

bèlla said:
Have you ever been a farmhand or did work of that nature? I spent a season on a local production farm to learn how to garden but I wouldn’t want to do it for a living nor are young people required to follow suit. Automation is the future and I posted articles from WSJ acknowledging the same and they’re already doing it. Most farmers don’t want to pay a livable wage. They want the cheapest labor they can get.

~bella

It is a livable wage for guest workers. They go home with good money in their pockets in their home countries.

ralliann · 2025-10-14T11:05:57-0500

BPPLEE said:
They have to have time to protest

Many are also funded..

ralliann · 2025-10-14T11:08:59-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Doesn't matter what the pay or conditions are. They just don't want to get their hands dirty, preferring the comfort of an office than in a field environment.

Gen Z isn't looking to make blue collar work a career

While some of Gen Z are filling trade positions, data suggests few intend to stay there for the long haul.

www.newsweek.com

The bottom line is that Gen Z would rather remain unemployed and living with their parents while looking for a job with good pay and working conditions that doesn't involve getting their hands dirty. Many of them would prefer settling for a job with lower pay with ideal working conditions than higher paying jobs what require them to sweat. For many of Gen Z, blue collar is beneath them.

This is so true. Entitled is an attitude fostered for a long time. Elitism run amuck in this country. I AM TO GOOD FOR ANY OF THAT. It is for the less than people. For these a slave class can be ok.

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