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Letita Jamews indicted for fraud

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This is not about political persecution. If she falsified financial documents, she should be held accountable. It's ironic that MAGA calls for justice over AG James's alleged crimes while they elected someone convicted of 34 felonies for similar financial document falsification.
Glad you agree. Prosecuting her is fair and just if she is prosecuting him for tge same thing.
 
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The Speaker of the House Is Abetting Authoritarianism

On September 20, Trump all but ordered Attorney General Pam Bondi to secure indictments and convictions against three political targets. “What about Comey, Adam ‘Shifty’ Schiff, Leticia??? They’re all guilty as h---,” he instructed Bondi in a Truth Social post. “We can’t delay any longer . . . JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED, NOW!!!”

Everyone saw Trump’s message. For days, it was the talk of the political world. But Johnson pretended it hadn’t happened. On September 28, CNN’s Jake Tapper asked the speaker: “Don’t you have any qualms about any president telling an attorney general, ‘Go after these three political opponents?’” Johnson, with a straight face, replied, “I don’t think that’s what he did.”

Two days after that interview—and after Trump orchestrated Comey’s indictment by ousting a prosecutor and installing Lindsey Halligan, one of his own former personal attorneys, to get the job done—CNBC’s Andrew Ross Sorkin asked the speaker about this plainly autocratic move. “My understanding is that the previous prosecutor refused to bring the case, because they didn’t think it was a strong enough case,” Sorkin observed. “So you have a situation where the president effectively directed their own lawyer to bring that case.”

“I wouldn’t say that,” Johnson objected. He argued that Halligan’s decision to bring the case, after Trump fired the previous prosecutor for not bringing it, was a perfectly fine example of “the prosecutor’s discretion.”
 
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Hmm. She was indicted by a grand jury. Doesn't matter if the charges were politically motivated. The charges stuck. We need a trial. Let's get going!
I don't know that I'd describe charges making it through a grand jury as "sticking".
 
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The Speaker of the House Is Abetting Authoritarianism

On September 20, Trump all but ordered Attorney General Pam Bondi to secure indictments and convictions against three political targets. “What about Comey, Adam ‘Shifty’ Schiff, Leticia??? They’re all guilty as h---,” he instructed Bondi in a Truth Social post. “We can’t delay any longer . . . JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED, NOW!!!”

Everyone saw Trump’s message. For days, it was the talk of the political world. But Johnson pretended it hadn’t happened. On September 28, CNN’s Jake Tapper asked the speaker: “Don’t you have any qualms about any president telling an attorney general, ‘Go after these three political opponents?’” Johnson, with a straight face, replied, “I don’t think that’s what he did.”

Two days after that interview—and after Trump orchestrated Comey’s indictment by ousting a prosecutor and installing Lindsey Halligan, one of his own former personal attorneys, to get the job done—CNBC’s Andrew Ross Sorkin asked the speaker about this plainly autocratic move. “My understanding is that the previous prosecutor refused to bring the case, because they didn’t think it was a strong enough case,” Sorkin observed. “So you have a situation where the president effectively directed their own lawyer to bring that case.”

“I wouldn’t say that,” Johnson objected. He argued that Halligan’s decision to bring the case, after Trump fired the previous prosecutor for not bringing it, was a perfectly fine example of “the prosecutor’s discretion.”
What qe see here is a notorious problem in Washington. The failure to prosecute people. It's like far too many "important" people get away with anything. We've seen it over and over again. The consistent answer is ALWAYS its not a strong enough case. Thats the pat answer.

Well, that's over now. The elite are now being looked at and prosecutors are attempting to get indictments. And rhey are getting them. Its about time the elites start facing the music instead of just getting away with everything.

We'll see what a jury has to say.

I just hope rhe DOJ doesn't over charge. Juat choose the easiest probable charge and go for that one.
 
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At the least it was inappropriate. She was running for public office. Prosecutors run on saying specific people are guilty before they are even arrested? Not a good look for a person running for public office. Trump was INNOCENT until proven guilty at the time she said that.
No one disputes that, not even James. But it was a campaign promise, prosecutors run on a platform of proving guilt, which she was able to do. I'm reasonably sure she knew enough about Trump's financial dealings even at that point that she was certain she could prove it in court, so it wasn't an unfounded promise.

She made good on it, after all.

But, I'm curious, do you also decry Trump when he trumpets all over social media that James, Comey and others are guilty? He's doing the same thing, but I haven't heard a peep of disagreement. Some could call that a double standard, ya know.

-- A2SG, of course, the major difference here is that Presidents don't prosecute anyone, so there's that....
 
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You are 10% right.

This highlights a major issue in America today: when President Trump was indicted, Democrats praised the justice system while MAGA supporters called it a nuisance and unfounded. Now, with a similar indictment against AG. James, Democrats are calling it unfounded and MAGA sees it as justice.

Even more concerning is that supporters on both sides openly exhibit bias and hypocrisy without expressing any remorse for their behavior in public.
Well, to be fair, there is a difference here. There was a significant amount of evidence shown even before the trial indicating Trump's guilt, but so far as we've seen, all that the DOJ has against James is one misstatement on a single form, that wasn't even an actual loan document. Plus which, several attorneys have said this was a weak case, and that they wouldn't have taken it to trial at all. It certainly does seem as if the only reason James was indicted was because Trump demanded it.

Granted, there may be more evidence presented at trial, so I will reserve judgment for the moment, but one has to admit, the preponderance of evidence in this case doesn't seem close to equal to Trump's.

-- A2SG, guess it all comes down to Halligan's skill and experience as a prosecutor....
 
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They sent their request Tuesday to Acting Justice Department Inspector General William Blier, writing, "Ms. Halligan pursued these indictments to fulfill President Donald J. Trump's longstanding personal vendetta against Mr. Comey and Ms. James, we are facing a turning point in our democracy and some of the most egregious examples of vindictive and meritless prosecution that our nation has ever seen."

The letter was written by leaders of the Democracy Defenders Fund, a Washington-based nonpartisan group that has frequently been critical of the Trump administration.

...Their letter also said, "A president should never order prosecutions of his enemies. That happens in Putin's Russia, and it has happened in other dictatorships, but not here–until now."

...Ms. Halligan's prosecution of Letitia James on two counts of 'bank fraud' and a 'false statement' appears to be a further attempt to fulfill President Trump's personal vendetta against his political enemies."

"Trump's animus against Ms. James stems from having successfully brought a years-long civil fraud case against the Trump Organization, which included judgments against President Trump and two of his sons and imposed a court monitor with limits on their ability to conduct business in New York," the fund's letter continued.
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Letitia James' job is to investigate broken laws and to prosecute the law breakers; Trump's job is to govern not to prosecute nor to direct prosecutions. I do remember one of Trump's most popular campaign rally cries was "Lock her up! Lock her up!" with "her" being Hillary Clinton the first time round and Kamala Harris the third time round.
 
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They sent their request Tuesday to Acting Justice Department Inspector General William Blier, writing, "Ms. Halligan pursued these indictments to fulfill President Donald J. Trump's longstanding personal vendetta against Mr. Comey and Ms. James, we are facing a turning point in our democracy and some of the most egregious examples of vindictive and meritless prosecution that our nation has ever seen."​
The letter was written by leaders of the Democracy Defenders Fund, a Washington-based nonpartisan group that has frequently been critical of the Trump administration.​
...Their letter also said, "A president should never order prosecutions of his enemies. That happens in Putin's Russia, and it has happened in other dictatorships, but not here–until now."​
...Ms. Halligan's prosecution of Letitia James on two counts of 'bank fraud' and a 'false statement' appears to be a further attempt to fulfill President Trump's personal vendetta against his political enemies."​
"Trump's animus against Ms. James stems from having successfully brought a years-long civil fraud case against the Trump Organization, which included judgments against President Trump and two of his sons and imposed a court monitor with limits on their ability to conduct business in New York," the fund's letter continued.​
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Letitia James' job is to investigate broken laws and to prosecute the law breakers; Trump's job is to govern not to prosecute nor to direct prosecutions. I do remember one of Trump's most popular campaign rally cries was "Lock her up! Lock her up!" with "her" being Hillary Clinton the first time round and Kamala Harris the third time round.
Pure hypocrisy.
 
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