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AND HOW CHRIST FORMED THE BODY OF CHRIST !!

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No they're not.

Yes they will become one nation again as Eze. 37:22 clearly states: "And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all". This is clearly a prophesy about the millennium in the next aion, not in this aion.

When Paul wrote 1 Tim. he had no knowledge of the mystery of the body of Christ, it therefor says nothing of what you state above. Paul aims in 3:16 at the resurrection which was promised by God for aions, therefor not a mystery at all.

""Born of water and spirit" is an idiomatic expression for "born of spiritual water". It is the "living water" of which John speaks further on (John 4:10; 7:38, 39) which is set in contrast with material water, and is defined in these texts as being the "spirit" which those who believe in Him would receive. We have here the figure of speech called "hendiadys" (two for one) which expresses the same thing by two different words. The second word is really and adjective. Other examples: Mat.3:11, "with the Holy Ghost and with fire" (with a fiery spirit); Eph. 6:18 "with all prayer and supplication" (with suppliant prayers). John is not speaking about material things but of spiritual actions. The Prophets had already spoken of this water (e.g. Isa. 4:4; Eze. 36:25 — 27). The Lord was the source (Jer. 2:13; 17:13). We may note that in "born of water and spirit" there is no article, whereas in John 3:8 we read "born of the Spirit"; in the first case it is about the action of the Spirit, in the second case, about the Spirit Itself. The word "water" may indicate the Word of God (1 Cor. 4:15; James 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:23; Eph. 5:26)." From The Way of Salvation by S.V.M. (To not invent the wheel again.)

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And you never read Rom 16:25. and 26 and you make me. AGOG. !!

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And you never read Rom 16:25. and 26 and you make me. AGOG. !!
Of course I read it, but I also read Phil. 1:10, did you? I know it's easy to believe that everything is the same, but it isn't.

I know the mystery in Rom. 16:25, 26 is denied by almost everyone, but what is it actually about? It can't be about the mystery hidden in God of Eph. 3:9 which says "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world (Gr. aions) hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"

Rom. 16:25 says "... and by the scriptures of the prophets ...", so it was in the Scriptures but under a veil, the mystery of Eph. 3:9 was hidden in God, nowhere to be found in Scripture until Paul received it's revelation.

When you read Romans it goes in chapter 5 back to the sin of Adam, it puts Adam against Christ. Note, not Eve, not Adam and Eve, but Adam alone. According to general believe, Eve must be the one who first sinned, she listened to Satan (the "serpent") — not Adam — and she plucked the apple — not Adam — from the forbidden tree and than gave it to Adam, but in Romans Adam and not Eve is mentioned. Why? We read by one man in Rom. 5:12 "... as by one man sin entered into the world ...", not one woman, not "one" woman and man, but one man, Adam. What happened with Adam — his sin — happened before Eve was even created, that is the mystery in 16:25, 26.

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Correct, it was a continuation of the ritual Jewish washings, that's why the Jews were not surprised by it.

These are the same, and is not only for Israel as is proven by this text: "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God..." 1 John 5:1. Otherwise no gentile would believe in Christ.

"Tongues" was one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which was given to Cornelius (and others) who is a gentile. It surprised the Jews when they heard the gentiles speak with tongues: Acts 11:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God..."

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AND you do have verse that CORNELIUS. was given. the HOLY SPIRIT ??'''

Where did I. mis it. , but you KNOW. ??

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