The USA's 250th birthday to be celebrated with Octagon UFC/MMA fight, possibly on the White House South Lawn

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-07T17:13:07-0500

BCP1928 said:
No, it's not always about you and your imaginary victimhood.

How does a Frasier reference and a motorsports comparison (between two motorsports that I don't watch) have anything to do with feigning victimhood?

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-07T17:38:15-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
I'm sure that there is a backlash against being perceived at being unsophisticated, but this and the affect of most of the MAGA movement strike me as overcorrecting as a deliberate middle finger to the establishment and those who'd try to uphold any sort of standard.

If the comparison is between F1 and NASCAR or boxing and MMA then, sure, any sort of pretense that one is more sophisticated or gentlemanly than the other is largely empty snobbery.

But comparing a person sitting at a piano to a cage fight? c'mon.

The topics I've seen on social media have ranged from
"how low class it is that he'd disgrace the white house south lawn with a low brow UFC bout"
to
"look how snobby and over-the-top that ballroom is that he's going to be building on the south lawn"

Where's the happy middle ground? Obviously it exists somewhere between MMA and swanky Ballroom dancing...

You mentioned the concept of "standards"...

I think that's a valid point. And I'm not even denying that there could be tit-for-tat politics behind some of it.

Would it be fair to say that between 2015 and present, Democrats have taken some actions that either directly or indirectly conveyed the notion of "we don't care about your standards" to conservative and non-college educated people?

Especially with the backdrop of them engaging in defenses and promotions of things that wouldn't even meet the so-called "fancy standards" if not being done by someone they deemed to be in an "allied group".

What I mean by that is
Telling conservatives "sorry, but your outdated religious traditions, traditional values, and your decorum demands are outdated and irrelevant... we should be holding ourselves to a more elevated, modern-thinking standard... now if you'll excuse us, we have to get Joe over to his high-profile interview with the rapper that sang about how she's a "certified freak, seven days a week" with a "wet <private part>" that'll "make that pull-out game weak"

iluvatar5150 · 2025-10-07T20:27:42-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
The topics I've seen on social media have ranged from
"how low class it is that he'd disgrace the white house south lawn with a low brow UFC bout"
to
"look how snobby and over-the-top that ballroom is that he's going to be building on the south lawn"

Where's the happy middle ground? Obviously it exists somewhere between MMA and swanky Ballroom dancing...

You mentioned the concept of "standards"...

I think that's a valid point. And I'm not even denying that there could be tit-for-tat politics behind some of it.

Would it be fair to say that between 2015 and present, Democrats have taken some actions that either directly or indirectly conveyed the notion of "we don't care about your standards" to conservative and non-college educated people?

Especially with the backdrop of them engaging in defenses and promotions of things that wouldn't even meet the so-called "fancy standards" if not being done by someone they deemed to be in an "allied group".

What I mean by that is
Telling conservatives "sorry, but your outdated religious traditions, traditional values, and your decorum demands are outdated and irrelevant... we should be holding ourselves to a more elevated, modern-thinking standard... now if you'll excuse us, we have to get Joe over to his high-profile interview with the rapper that sang about how she's a "certified freak, seven days a week" with a "wet <private part>" that'll "make that pull-out game weak"

Biden didn’t invite her to perform WAP on the South Lawn, did he? No.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-07T21:29:21-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
Biden didn’t invite her to perform WAP on the South Lawn, did he? No.

No he just had a trans person exposing their bare, enhanced, feminine breasts for the world to see

iluvatar5150 · 2025-10-08T05:59:59-0500

BPPLEE said:
No he just had a trans person exposing their bare, enhanced, feminine breasts for the world to see

It’s hard to take you guys seriously when you’re deliberately conflating disparate events.

In the case you’re describing, that wasn’t part of the planned activities and it got her banned from future ones.

Bradskii · 2025-10-08T06:52:46-0500

BPPLEE said:
No he just had a trans person exposing their bare, enhanced, feminine breasts for the world to see

No, he didn't have that done. And it's somewhat desperate of you to imply that he did and draw a comparison where none exists.

BCP1928 · 2025-10-08T07:38:13-0500

BPPLEE said:
No he just had a trans person exposing their bare, enhanced, feminine breasts for the world to see

Exposing feminine breasts is certainly a more wholesome activity than two men beating each other up in a cage.

BCP1928 · 2025-10-08T07:43:47-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
The topics I've seen on social media have ranged from
"how low class it is that he'd disgrace the white house south lawn with a low brow UFC bout"
to
"look how snobby and over-the-top that ballroom is that he's going to be building on the south lawn"

Where's the happy middle ground? Obviously it exists somewhere between MMA and swanky Ballroom dancing...

You mentioned the concept of "standards"...

I think that's a valid point. And I'm not even denying that there could be tit-for-tat politics behind some of it.

Would it be fair to say that between 2015 and present, Democrats have taken some actions that either directly or indirectly conveyed the notion of "we don't care about your standards" to conservative and non-college educated people?

Especially with the backdrop of them engaging in defenses and promotions of things that wouldn't even meet the so-called "fancy standards" if not being done by someone they deemed to be in an "allied group".

What I mean by that is
Telling conservatives "sorry, but your outdated religious traditions, traditional values, and your decorum demands are outdated and irrelevant... we should be holding ourselves to a more elevated, modern-thinking standard... now if you'll excuse us, we have to get Joe over to his high-profile interview with the rapper that sang about how she's a "certified freak, seven days a week" with a "wet <private part>" that'll "make that pull-out game weak"

Maybe you're right. Perhaps two men beating the crap out of one another in a cage is a righteous expression of Christian virtue after all.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-08T08:41:39-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
Biden didn’t invite her to perform WAP on the South Lawn, did he? No.

Doesn't matter, the fancy/classy decorum standards would dictate that the president should be doing those kinds of interviews with serious reporters and journalists (or at least people who are renown for intellectual endeavors and not rapping about their genitalia), right?

Kamala Harris had Megan Thee Stallion performing at a campaign rally, Twerking while performing the very classy song named "savage" - a song that features time-honored elegant lyrics like:
“<private part> like water, I’m unbothered and relaxing,” the artist, 29, raps at one point.
“<n-words> say I taste like sugar, but ain’t <expletive deleted> sweet” another line in the song says.

It seems like people are leveraging a logical fallacy of selective specificity (a facet of the double-standard fallacy) on this kind of stuff.
This occurs when similar situations or actions are judged differently, often to favor one individual or group over another by seizing on a trivial or insignificant difference and exaggerating its importance to justify the unequal treatment.

The reality is, the "fancy standards" have been eroded for about a decade now.

We have politicians from across the board regularly dropping f-bombs in interviews now.

I'm old enough to remember (not that long ago) when it was considered to be a "big thing" when politicians like Dick Cheney and Obama were accidentally caught on a hot mic dropping an f-bomb (not even in a public speech), because the "classic standards of sophistication and decorum" dictated such rules.

Now, do I care about "potty mouth stuff"?...not really, my spotify playlist is full "dirty words", and politicians are probably doing that more now because it conveys some sort of "grit" or faux-authenticity when they drop a cuss word.

but we at least need to talk about this stuff consistently rather than finding trivial distinctions to justify why "this instance of Trump doing it is way worse and so much more unique than all of the other dozens of instances...for reasons".

durangodawood · 2025-10-08T08:52:26-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
....Kamala Harris had Megan Thee Stallion performing at a campaign rally....

Theres nothing "obscene" about an MMA fight. I just dont want the White House becoming grounds for a bread and circuses style spectacle.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-08T09:39:30-0500

Bradskii said:
No, he didn't have that done. And it's somewhat desperate of you to imply that he did and draw a comparison where none exists.

What I meant was it happened under his watch. I know he didn’t plan it.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-08T09:46:39-0500

BCP1928 said:
Exposing feminine breasts is certainly a more wholesome activity than two men beating each other up in a cage.

Feminine breasts on a man are not wholesome

BCP1928 · 2025-10-08T10:29:46-0500

BPPLEE said:
Feminine breasts on a man are not wholesome

You think two men beating each other up in a cage is more wholesome? At least the sight of a breast harms no one.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-08T10:35:54-0500

durangodawood said:
Theres nothing "obscene" about an MMA fight. I just dont want the White House becoming grounds for a bread and circuses style spectacle.

Based on the wiki description

"Bread and circuses" (or "bread and games"; from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metonymic phrase referring to superficial appeasement. It is attributed to Juvenal (Satires, Satire X), a Roman poet active in the late first and early second century CE, and is used commonly in cultural, particularly political, contexts.

In a political context, the phrase means to generate public approval, not by excellence in public service or public policy, but by diversion, distraction, or by satisfying the most immediate or base requirements of a populace,[1] by offering a palliative: for example food (bread) or entertainment (circuses).

Wouldn't the numerous concerts that have been hosted at the White House fit that description?

It would seem as if UFC events and Concerts (in general) tend to occupy the same kinds of venues (the major arenas for the higher profile entertainers/athletes... the smaller "dingier" places for the lower profile events.

So, for example, Beyonce concerts and UFC events would happen at Madison Square Garden... A local punk band and low-league mma would happen in a dive bar or gymnasium.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-10-08T10:36:20-0500

BPPLEE said:
Feminine breasts on a man are not wholesome

How big do they have to be to be considered feminine?

durangodawood · 2025-10-08T13:39:45-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
Based on the wiki description

"Bread and circuses" (or "bread and games"; from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metonymic phrase referring to superficial appeasement. It is attributed to Juvenal (Satires, Satire X), a Roman poet active in the late first and early second century CE, and is used commonly in cultural, particularly political, contexts.

In a political context, the phrase means to generate public approval, not by excellence in public service or public policy, but by diversion, distraction, or by satisfying the most immediate or base requirements of a populace,[1] by offering a palliative: for example food (bread) or entertainment (circuses).

Wouldn't the numerous concerts that have been hosted at the White House fit that description?

It would seem as if UFC events and Concerts (in general) tend to occupy the same kinds of venues (the major arenas for the higher profile entertainers/athletes... the smaller "dingier" places for the lower profile events.

So, for example, Beyonce concerts and UFC events would happen at Madison Square Garden... A local punk band and low-league mma would happen in a dive bar or gymnasium.

No. The numerous concerts for various guests and events dont count. They obviously arent big gaudy spectacles. Yes this is a matter of taste. And Im right about it.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-08T15:03:00-0500

Will the fight be covered on live TV or just pay per view?

Bradskii · 2025-10-08T15:07:57-0500

BPPLEE said:
What I meant was it happened under his watch. I know he didn’t plan it.

Then don't draw comparisons to things that are planned.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · 2025-10-08T15:13:13-0500

Is the money going to Trump or programs for children and people in need.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-08T15:16:00-0500

Bradskii said:
Then don't draw comparisons to things that are planned.

I don't think Biden planned anything during his term

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