Israel and the New Covenant.

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, God rested on the seventh day Sabbath.

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God rested from all his work on the Sabbath (Heb 4:4), just as we rest from all our works to save and in the completed works of Jesus, our full-time Sabbath (Mt 11:28), who saves to the uttermost (Heb 7:25).

Same mispresentation (yours above) of my post #300 (feels like high school), as demonstrated back in post #159 (mispresentation of my post #157 in your post #158).

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, we rest from our works on the seventh day, Exo 20:8-11, why the seventh day was spoken of in this way Heb 4:4 the same day God rested from His works on the seventh day Heb4:4 Heb4:10 as we are made in His likeness and follow His example Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11 Luke 4:16 1 John 2:6, not do our own thing.

This is how one also enters into His rest Heb4:10. God wants us to have both spiritual rest and physical rest on the seventh day, which is His Sabbath Exo 20:10 and the holy day of the Lord, according to His own Testimony Isa 58:13

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More misrepresentation (is this high school?), this time of my post #302 (your leaving out the word "all"), as in your post #158 misrepresenting my post #157 (leaving out "in Christ") and pointed out in my post #159.

Still not a good look. . .

SabbathBlessings said:

I didn't quote your post 302

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Are you going to say that your post #301: "yes, God rested on the Sabbath" (and quoted by me in my post #302)
was not in reponse to my post #300:"God rested from all his work on the Sabbath" (Heb 4:4),
and that your omission in your post #301 of my phrase from all his work in my post #300
was not misrepresention of my post #300 when you quoted my post #300 in your post #301?

Heb 3:7-4:11 (as well as all the NT) is about failure to enter full-time (Heb 4:4) salvation rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ (just as Israel failed to enter Canaan gospel rest, Heb 4:6) rather than relying on one's own works of the law to save. . .it's about failure to remain in gospel rest for salvation and returning to the law of works for salvation.

Hentenza said:

Paul tells us in Gal 3:17 that the law came 430 years after Abraham. Is he wrong?

God gave Abraham the command for circumcision in Gen. 17:10 but this was not the law. Here only circumcision is commanded.

Why would He be joking?

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So if God was not joking, had Abraham declined to be physically circumcised at Genesis 17:14, he would have been cut off from God as well.

Would you agree with that logic?

Guojing said:

So if God was not joking, had Abraham declined to be physically circumcised at Genesis 17:14, he would have been cut off from God as well.

Would you agree with that logic?

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Not really. Abraham was not saved by his works instead he was saved by his faith. Even though Abraham resisted circumcision he did it eventually because of his love for God. It’s a great teaching for us now. We keep His commandments and cooperate w

Guojing said:

So if God was not joking, had Abraham declined to be physically circumcised at Genesis 17:14, he would have been cut off from God as well.

Would you agree with that logic?

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Not really. Abraham was not saved by his works instead he was saved by his faith. Even though Abraham resisted circumcision he did it eventually because of his love for God. It’s a great teaching for us now. We keep His commandments and cooperate with God in our sanctification because we love God.

Hentenza said:

Not really. Abraham was not saved by his works instead he was saved by his faith. Even though Abraham resisted circumcision he did it eventually because of his love for God. It’s a great teaching for us now. We keep His commandments and cooperate with God in our sanctification because we love God.

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So even though Genesis 17:14 literally says you will be cut off if you are not physically circumcised, you do not agree because you think salvation was always by faith without works?

Alright then.

Guojing said:

So even though Genesis 17:14 literally says you will be cut off if you are not physically circumcised, you do not agree because you think salvation was always by faith without works?

Alright then.

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I guess you can make the argument that excluded from his/her community meant excluded from salvation but then you would be arguing that salvation is by works and that is not biblical. Scriptures are clear that Abraham was saved by his faith not by his works.

The Abrahamic covenant is a foreshadow of the law which would come 430 years later. The requirement of every male being circumcised continued. Paul explains below that one is not circumcised but keeps the law should be regarded as circumcised and his praised is not from his people but from God. So circumcision mandated and not done but obedience to God counts just as good or better.

“For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision. So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will his uncircumcision not be regarded as circumcision? And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a violator of the Law? For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭25‬-‭29‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬