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The cost would be enormous, but we're already paying an enormous amount for healthcare. As an example, my health insurance costs about $700/month, and it's not even that good - I have a fairly high deductible. My employer covers most of it as a benefit to me, but that doesn't change the amount being spent.
It's not about the money. The point is, you don't deserve any health care unless you earn it by being employed, and then only what your employer decides to give you.
 
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If they truly felt confident, they wouldn't need to form a "union", which is often simply a mob meant to bully their employer into things that puts them out of business, and the employees out of jobs.
How is the employer not a mob as well? Huge organization against the little guy.
Confidence means being able to stand on your own two feet and take your skills to a different job if you're so confident.
If the employer was confident and competent, they wouldn't need to bust unions.
 
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How is the employer not a mob as well? Huge organization against the little guy.
The "huge organization" is the place where "little guy" applied for a job, and was granted it while understanding what "at will" employment is.

If the employer was confident and competent, they wouldn't need to bust unions.
Now you're engaging in "whatabouts".
 
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If they truly felt confident, they wouldn't need to form a "union", which is often simply a mob meant to bully their employer into things that puts them out of business, and the employees out of jobs.
You'll be OK. The National Guard has shot unionists before. I'm sure they can be made to do it again.
Confidence means being able to stand on your own two feet and take your skills to a different job if you're so confident.
What a load of horse cobble. Confidence means knowing your labor has value, wherever you work.
 
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The "huge organization" is the place where "little guy" applied for a job, and was granted it while understanding what "at will" employment is.
If there was a free market in labor, the issue wouldn't arise. But a free market, any free market, requires that both the buyer and the seller have about equal market power. A labor market which is dominated by one or a few large employers at the expense of many individual workers is not a free market. That's what unions are for, to even up the market power.
 
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What a load of horse cobble. Confidence means knowing your labor has value, wherever you work.
Yes, that's basically what I said. If they know their labor has value, they can have confidence that it'll be valued elsewhere if not where they are now.
 
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If there was a free market in labor, the issue wouldn't arise. But a free market, any free market, requires that both the buyer and the seller have about equal market power. A labor market which is dominated by one or a few large employers at the expense of many individual workers is not a free market. That's what unions are for, to even up the market power.
Then when the economy turns in a way that favors the employees and their ability to get whatever unreasonable demands they want, what protects the employer from being driven out of business because their workers want to ambush him with unreasonable demands?
 
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Yes, that's basically what I said. If they know their labor has value, they can have confidence that it'll be valued elsewhere if not where they are now.
That only works if there is a free market in labor.
 
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That only works if there is a free market in labor.
It's always free. People are free to apply for a job, and to leave the job as desired, and the employers are free to hire or not hire, fire or not fire.
 
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