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You need to calm down here poster.
I asked a simple question, trying to fish out some FACTS about the situation and you jump on me for some unknown reason!
Do you have a link to support what you're saying here?
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You just asked a simple question? You made statements...
That's not a "simple question". So my response to you was based on your statements which is not questions at all... Hop off that innocent train for a second and trying to make yourself out to be the middle man. If you want to fish out "facts" then don't make a statement as if it was fact like
Or your previous statements above. You are no longer Switzerland.
References for my previous statement:
Link1, Link2, Link3, Link4,
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First post:
I made a statement that led to the question.
1) I make it clear I didn't understand the situation
2) I asked a question.
I'm not trying to be neutral, I'm trying to be informed.
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The core issue here is a lack of trust. Democrats feel as though the only way to get even a fraction of what they want is to hold the process hostage, because every other time they've caved on negotiations with the promise that their concerns would be taken up later, that hasn't happened. Right now, Republicans are saying "Pass the short-term funding bill, and we'll negotiate on healthcare during that period." But what happens when those six weeks are up and there still isn't a deal? That's an argument that can be made in perpetuity - just keep kicking the can down the road, promising that you'll negotiate later in exchange for passing the policy that you want now. It didn't work very well for Wimpy, so I don't know why Republicans think it will turn out differently for them.
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I've scanned the democrat counter proposal. I couldn't find anything about healthcare for illegals so unless someone is going to include the Clause number, I cannot trust Republican complaints.
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The bill they linked is THEIR bill, not the democrats. If you have a link to the democrats specifically, then please post it.
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Ok, so this document is a temporary measure so this wouldn't be the same one that the democrats gave for the entire fiscal year. This CR that you posted only lasts until the end of October of THIS year. So it's not the same thing.
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So the argument is (so I understand) that before the end of october, this budget gives 1.5 trillion of spending? In 4 weeks? wow! That would be shocking.
Let me know if you find the clauses that allow the spending that Republicans claim. I saw a couple of things that looked relevant...but I only had a few minutes.
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There's two different things going on and I think you're getting confused. So, the addition 1.5 trillion is from the bill that goes for the next year completely. So Republicans are saying the bill they proposed added more spending and added a bunch of different things to it and THAT bill doesn't expire at the end of October. That specific one is for the entire 2026 year. This is why the republicans rejected it.
The bill you posted, is a CR (Continuing Resolution) is a temporary measure that funds congress for a limited amount of time and that one specifically expires October 31st, 2025 of this year. So essentially it's like saying, okay let's agree to this so the government can re-open and we can then again, go back to the arguing and bickering over the 2026 spending bill. A temporary measure (CR) isn't regular "Appropriation Bill" for the whole spending year.
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Incorrect. The "$1.5 trillion in new spending" is actually over the next decade, and it's mostly not really "new" - the biggest chunk is tied up in extending health insurance subsidies that were set to expire this year.
Congress Should Not Add $1.5 Trillion to Debt in CR | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
Fiscal Year (FY) 2025 will end at midnight on September 30, and unless policymakers agree on passing all 12 appropriations bills or passing a continuing resolution (CR) before then, the federal
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Okay, I'm not arguing where the new money is going, I'm saying where the new 1.5 trillion in spending was introduced. Basically, what bill it was introduced ON. Appropriation Bill VS CR bill. But according to this, it was listed on a different CR. So I dunno man...Incorrect. The "$1.5 trillion in new spending" is actually over the next decade, and it's mostly not really "new" - the biggest chunk is tied up in extending health insurance subsidies that were set to expire this year.
Congress Should Not Add $1.5 Trillion to Debt in CR | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
Fiscal Year (FY) 2025 will end at midnight on September 30, and unless policymakers agree on passing all 12 appropriations bills or passing a continuing resolution (CR) before then, the federalwww.crfb.org
Edit: Either way, it's not the same CR bill in question that rambot posted.
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It's definitely in there - the counterproposal linked in the article I cited is the exact same PDF as the one rambot posted. Starts on page 39.
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