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President Trump himself has admitted that several persons he selected in his first term were mistakes. He's corrected those mistakes in his second term.
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Which is unaccountable to the will of the people and their elected representatives.
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Bureaucrats manage things.
If instructed, they will implement the wills of their political masters.
However, they will generally do so in a way that is based in the real world and the specific situations they're faced with. Otherwise, you end up with policy implementation that is totally divorced from reality, or flaps around like laundry on a windy day. And that's not good for anyone.
See, for instance, the mess that is current US trade, aid and diplomatic policy. Or US domestic health policy. Similarly, the disaster that was Brexit, or the Liz Truss 'mini-budget'.
These are/were nominally the "will of the people and their elected representatives". Unfortunately they were also full of such cack-brained ideas that their implementation was necessarily cack-handed. Ultimately, these policies acted against the general public good.
Sheep, voting for the stew pot.
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Too many times, career bureaucrats don't enact the will of their political bosses.
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Career bureaucrats such as Director James Clapper, General Michael Hayden, Director Christopher Wray, and numerous others have served under five, six, or even seven presidents from both political parties, dedicating their careers to public service. No member of the H. Bush administration accused career officials of undermining their agenda. Similarly, no one from the Clinton administration suggested that federal employees acted against their interests. No member of the W. Bush administration claimed in the media that so-called "deep state" actors within the federal government worked to hinder their objectives.
Despite running against the Iraq war, President Obama kept President Bush's Defense Secretary in place during his first term. At no point did the Obama administration accuse Secretary Gates of undermining the administration's agenda. President Obama also appointed a lifelong Republican as Secretary of Defense in his second term, and there were no public claims from the administration that this appointee was working against its goals. The FBI Director under Obama was appointed by President W. Bush, as was the Chair of the Federal Reserve. President Obama did not blame the Fed Chair for hindering his economic agenda.
There has been a long-standing tradition in the United States of career federal employees serving under various presidents for over 240 years. However, only during President Trump's administration, there were accusation against federal employees were working against his agenda and concerns were raised about potential efforts to undermine it.
Your claim that “too many times federal employees don’t enact the political will” is incorrect. Federal employees have served this nation well under every president. Only president accuse them of sabotaging his agenda is President Trump. Do you ever wonder why ?
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I'm a "career bureaucrat". How exactly have I failed to enact the will of my political bosses? You are long on accusation and short on evidence.
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I'm using polling data. If you are one of the career bureaucrats obeying the will of your political bosses, even when you disagree with them, then I thank you, sir.
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Clapper and Wray are ones who have consistently lied in front of Congress and lied to us. Perhaps you ought to come up with better examples than them.
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Ok, Clapper and Wray may have been dishonesty, but thousands of federal employees have served under multiple presidents and remained dedicated to America.
So, describing thousands of federal employees as acting contrary to the will of the people is not an accurate characterization.
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If so, who was telling them to lie to Congress? Who was telling them to break the law?
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Frankly, all of them.
It's like the "rogue CIA" tales we sometimes hear about. There's never been any such thing as "rogue CIA" activities. The CIA merely accepts the blame to protect the president.
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Then, that is a real problem of liars and immoral behavior which should not be acceptable.
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