Another look at the moon landing.

David Lamb · Tuesday at 5:44 AM

Apple Sky said:
It looked like an animated cartoon, the Apollo 11 capsule didn't look that much better, it looked as though it had been taped together, I would have expected something a bit more solid, but what can you expect from something that is staged ?

I suppose it depends to an extent on the photo you look at. Also, the picture you linked to was the landing craft, not the space rocket which took it all the way from earth to moon. Here is a picture showing both:

Apple Sky · Tuesday at 6:27 AM

David Lamb said:
I suppose it depends to an extent on the photo you look at. Also, the picture you linked to was the landing craft, not the space rocket which took it all the way from earth to moon. Here is a picture showing both:

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Sorry David - But it still looks like something from Thunderbird's.

David Lamb · Tuesday at 6:35 AM

Apple Sky said:
Sorry David - But it still looks like something from Thunderbird's.

Probably because the makers of "Thunderbirds" based their spacecraft on real rockets.

Hentenza · Tuesday at 7:34 AM

Apple Sky said:
Lol, so we're already junking up the moon

Not junk but scientific instruments that are still in use today. Prove me wrong.

Apple Sky said:
Serious though if you mean India has been to the moon recently, what a farce that was.

They did indeed land on the moon.

India becomes fourth country to land a spacecraft on the moon

India's Chandrayaan-3 mission spacecraft successfully landed on the moon Wednesday, making it the fourth country to do so and the first to land in the south pole region.

abcnews.go.com

Apple Sky · Tuesday at 9:12 AM

Hentenza said:
Not junk but scientific instruments that are still in use today. Prove me wrong.

Strong in Him · Tuesday at 9:53 AM

Apple Sky said:
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What's that supposed to prove?

prodromos · Tuesday at 9:55 AM

Apple Sky said:
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You do realise that at that scale, the satellites are not actually visible. They would be indiscernible pin pricks of light which would be totally overwhelmed by the reflected sunlight from the earth.

Hentenza · Tuesday at 10:11 AM

Apple Sky said:
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Again, the reflectors are on the surface of the moon. They are not in orbit around the round earth.

prodromos · Tuesday at 10:27 AM

Strong in Him said:
What's that supposed to prove?

That she is unable to make a rational argument?

DennisF · Tuesday at 10:55 AM

Apple Sky said:
This image has been banned, I wonder why ? Hmm

The image shows Wernher Von Braun walking on the staged set of the moon Landings.

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Wernher Von Braun, flown over from Germany as part of 'Operation Paper clip', he was a big wig for NASA.

Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Here is his gravestone, he must have repented before he died (or murdered).

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The inadequacy of so much of the blather on these Forums is that participants are quicker to express their doubts and suspicions (and display their ignorance) than to do some fact-finding and also bother to do the hard work of understanding in some depth something about the Creation or about history - like the optics of photography on the moon.

Von Braun was a (real) Lutheran to his dying day. His association with NAZI ideology has a tenuous factuality. From his teens he was interested in Raumfahrt - space travel and its means at the time, which was (and continues to be) rocketry. His involvement with Hitler and the NAZIs was distant; the rocket development was on the North Sea island of Penemunde, not Berlin, and von Braun occasionally was called to Berlin to report to Hitler himself on the status of rocket development. On one occasion, Hitler corrected a technical error of von Braun, about the fact that a bomb as a falling projectile would burrow into the ground some considerable distance before exploding. Von Braun thought it would explode on impact at the surface.

Too much blather (elsewhere) nowadays tries to associate von Braun with NAZIism, a connection which is tenuous at best, and if it exists at all, is not much different than that aspect of what the NAZIs believed that was also believed in America by the captains of industry: Henry Ford, the heads of all of the Big 3 Detroit auto companies, DuPont, the Bushes (yes, those Bushes), IBM, etc. History is not so neatly categorized as some would like it to be.

DennisF · Tuesday at 11:09 AM

Strong in Him said:
Rob Skiba was a flat earther; he would not have been objective, he had an agenda.
Rob Skiba, it seems, spoke out strongly against the Covid vaccine. He died from Covid.

Life would be easier if those who are wrong are wrong about everything they say, but that is not the case here. I can identify at least 5 hoaxes associated with the covid affair. One of them, is that the mRNA drugs are vaccines. I found the definition of vaccine on about a dozen websites of medical associations, and what constitutes a vaccine has two defining requirements: 1. that it decrease transmissivity, and that it 2) increase immunity. The data shows that it actually increases the transmission of the coronavirus to others, and as for immunity, the data shows that it provides short-term immunity and after that increases susceptibility to subsequent bouts with covid. "Short-term" varied in length. Israeli research said it was a few days and other sources claimed it to be as much as a half year.

Conclusion? By the definition given of the medical establishment itself, the mRNA drugs are not vaccines. To call them vaccines is highly tenuous at best, and probably came about because anything injected from a syringe to counteract a disease can easily be called a "vaccine".

DennisF · Tuesday at 11:21 AM

Lost4words said:
Fla[t] earthers, moon with its own light believers, all fall for wild conspiracy theories! They soak it all up in a gullible way.

I agree, but there is another level of falling for manipulation and that is through key expressions in language. The expression "conspiracy theory" came into parlance in America shortly after the JFK assassination. It's origin? The counter-intelligence branch of the CIA with the motive of dissuading (using afferent conditioning!) anyone from considering (lest your peers think you a numbskull) anything but the official narrative in explanation for the event. For reference, see the U. of TX Press book Conspiracy Theory in America by U. of FL prof. Lance deHaven-Smith.

I prefer to not support the CIA in perpetrating this state of mind - a form of mind control - triggered by "conspiracy theory". Too much of what is called that is based on observational fact and is not "theoretical", yet anything true can be tarred by the brush of this expression in the minds of its hearers.

Strong in Him · Tuesday at 11:22 AM

DennisF said:
Life would be easier if those who are wrong are wrong about everything they say, but that is not the case here. I can identify at least 5 hoaxes associated with the covid affair.

But none of these were the problem.

Rob Skiba spoke out against Covid and the Covid vaccine.
He was hospitalised with Covid and later died of a cardiac arrest.

Apple Sky · Tuesday at 11:35 AM

DennisF said:
The inadequacy of so much of the blather on these Forums is that participants are quicker to express their doubts and suspicions (and display their ignorance) than to do some fact-finding and also bother to do the hard work of understanding in some depth something about the Creation or about history - like the optics of photography on the moon.

Absolutely

Apple Sky · Tuesday at 11:39 AM

Strong in Him said:
But none of these were the problem.

Rob Skiba spoke out against Covid and the Covid vaccine.
He was hospitalised with Covid and later died of a cardiac arrest.

He was hospitalized not by choice & his wife found it very difficult to visit or to get him out.

Apple Sky · Tuesday at 11:50 AM

prodromos said:
That she is unable to make a rational argument?

I think I have given enough rational arguments.

Strong in Him · Tuesday at 11:51 AM

Apple Sky said:
He was hospitalized not by choice & his wife found it very difficult to visit or to get him out.

What's that got to do with it?
He was hospitalised because he had Covid.
I've no doubt his wife found it hard to visit. Many people found it hard/impossible to visit their relatives because of fear of contamination and causing the virus to spread even further. People at my church who were hospitalised with Covid were not allowed visitors - unless, possibly, they were dying.
Hospitals and doctors are there to care for peoples' health, not pander to their conspiracy theories. A patient who was highly infectious with Covid would not have been allowed out in case they infected others - children, the vulnerable, those with respiratory conditions etc - no matter how much they declared it all to be nonsense.

Look at it from another point of view; a hospital patient with an infectious disease believes that disease doesn't exist, wants to go home, infects someone in their family who passes it onto one of your relatives, and they die.
Are you going to say,
"the hospital is at fault for discharging an infectious patient. They had a duty of care, they messed up, we are going to prosecute/sue"? Or,
"it's fine. The patient didn't believe he had the illness he was diagnosed with - he had a perfect right to leave hospital and potentially infect others"?

Strong in Him · Tuesday at 11:57 AM

Apple Sky said:
I think I have given enough rational arguments.

Nope.
All your "arguments have been "it doesn't look like ......", "I can't feel the earth rotating so it doesn't happen", "NASA are ALL lying", "I can't get my head around ......." - and most often, "this YouTube clip is evidence".
You don't believe the experts or eye witnesses; evidence is all faked, text books have lied to everyone, and there are thousands of people out there, all identified by you as "THEY" who just want to deceive everyone else.

That is not at all rational.

Strong in Him · Tuesday at 12:07 PM

Apple Sky said:
Absolutely

Interesting - seeing as you are very much one of those who displays their ignorance rather than doing some fact finding or making the effort to understand.

All your "evidence" is "Dean says ....", "Eric says ....", "Bart says ....", "this YouTube clip proves ......".
People have said that sunsets prove a globe earth. You don't believe them even though you can't explain how sunsets happen on a flat earth.
People have said that a ship disappears over the horizon, which demonstrates the curvature of the earth. You don't agree, though you can't explain why that should happen.
People have given you scientific explanations or told you what experts say. You, who know little science, have said that they are all wrong.

DennisF · Tuesday at 12:19 PM

Strong in Him said:
But none of these were the problem.

Rob Skiba spoke out against Covid and the Covid vaccine.
He was hospitalised with Covid and later died of a cardiac arrest.

I was replying to the expression "covid vaccine". None exists as such if the medical definition of vaccine is heeded. That is a problem in itself.

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