Has Kirk's Death Prompted You?

Pepperdoodle said:

Charlie Kirk wasn't anymore special than anyone else and he knew that it seems.
We all have the opportunity to be a Charlie whether in person or online.

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I could just be me.

Pepperdoodle said:

I didn't follow the guy, but his stuff has been in news feeds more since he was murdered.
I'm angry that a Left leaning person thought the way to handle opinions he didn't like was to murder the person.

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I find it atrocious that someone took a gun and shot someone for being outspoken.

Whether they are left or right leaning doesnt change how i feel about it.
It's not like i would say ...
"Im angry that a left leaning person ... murdered someone"
"Im happy that a right leaning person ... murdered someone"

I feel sadness and thats not to do with the politics. I feel horrible for his wife and kids.

Im a father and i wouldnt want my son to go through what i think his family must be going through.

Pepperdoodle said:

That's very dangerous!!
The murderer thought silencing Kirk's voice would take care of that or help, but it's only hurt that expectation.

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I havent read the news about the shooter.
I wouldnt necessarily think that he thought anything. I wouldnt expect there to be a logical flow from one thing to another - all connected and adding up. Maybe there was. Maybe there wasnt and people will try to make it look like there was. ???!!!??? I dont know

Pepperdoodle said:

We need to keep speaking the truth, yes in love and compassion when possible, but speak it

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I would.

Pepperdoodle said:

and not let them,

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I wouldnt get into framing an "us vs them" too much.
I think - genuinely, it'll be war when too many people keep on with this framing.
I think the easy thing to do is fight eachother.
Its not true courage though (At least I dont respect it, its what i expect frightened animals to do).

I think our true calling is to stop seeing eachother as monsters everywhere - or as "us vs them", find peace with people where you can,
Demonstration. (I havent seen that happening much). If a person is so good and righteous and knows so much better - they should demonstrate it.

Pepperdoodle said:

mostly the Left leaning, shut truth down!!

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Ive been shut down by both and neither - and on this forum too !! So i understand your sentiment, i just havent experienced it as mostly left leaning.

Pepperdoodle said:

Whether you were a fan of Charlie's or not, has this prompted you to be more outspoken?

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No. I dont see why i should change anything i do or think.

I do think being outspoken is the easy path. Its tempting and comforting, but it's a weak play and will probably lose.

Maybe this is why i feel disgust when i see heavyweights going into uni places and getting into verbals with much weaker opponents and then putting it all over the internet (at least this is how videos look to me).
Even if these uni students are horribly misguided, mislead, lack control or whatever other error. (Note: Im not talking about charlie kirk here, i dont know what made him famous. Im thinking of some other events and characters)

I think the right thing to do is to return to seeing each other as family members.
Listen,
respect what people think,
understand,
genuinely think of them as your loved ones, like they are your own children.
If we are so good and know so much and are so much more righteous and switched on - then we should demonstrate it.

If our children are misguided - guide them.
if they are mislead - lead them.

I want to see our young people properly mentored and guided by someone who cares more about them than they do about themselves.

Thats what i think is the only viable option. If that doesnt happen, it'll be war.

Bob Crowley said:

I'm not American, but until Mr. Kirk was murdered I'd never heard of him.

I doubt if he had a significant overseas following, and I think would mostly have appealed to Republican voters and conservative Christians in the USA.

The actual statistics might say otherwise, but that's my suspicion.

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In New Zealand, where I am, many were greatly affected.

Confused-by-christianity said:

I could just be me.

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Yes. You don’t have to be Charlie Kirk. But God has given us the same Spirit that was in him; a Spirit of boldness that proclaims the Gospel.

Here is a list of verses where the Holy Spirit came upon people and they spoke. Sometimes they prophesied, sometimes they preached, and sometimes they spoke in other tongues so that people from different nations could understand.

So, we who have the same Spirit should also have a strong desire to speak. Whether that’s in the workplace, schools, to our friends, or even as a street preacher, the Spirit within us compels us to desire that the lost hear the Gospel and be saved.

Gospels
Matthew 10:19–20
Mark 13:11
Luke 1:41–42
Luke 1:67
Luke 2:25–32
Luke 12:11–12
Luke 21:14–15

Acts
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:4
Acts 2:14–18
Acts 4:8
Acts 4:31
Acts 6:10
Acts 7:55–56
Acts 8:29–35
Acts 9:17–20
Acts 10:19–20
Acts 10:44–46
Acts 11:12
Acts 11:15
Acts 13:9–10
Acts 13:52
Acts 19:6
Acts 21:9
Acts 21:10–11

Epistles
Romans 8:14
Romans 10:14–15
2 Corinthians 5:17–20
Ephesians 6:18–20
1 Corinthians 12:7–10
1 Corinthians 14:1–5
1 Corinthians 14:26–33
1 Peter 3:15

Revelation
Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22

Finally, consider this: most of us believe God can speak directly to a believer to give a message that is to be passed on, this is prophecy. But Revelation 19:10 says, “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” That means when we share the Gospel, we are prophesying. In other words, when the Holy Spirit fills a person and they begin to testify about Jesus, that is prophecy, Spirit-filled evangelism.
So, do not squash the Spirit with us. Let's all speak with Boldness and Clarity and let the Spirit be the drive/power that give us the desire to speak.

There is no denying that Charlie Kirk was a very skilled debater and public orator. But a Christian? I think that's debatable. I would challenge people who are convinced Kirk was a *Christian* martyr - not just a political one - to name ten things Charlie said which are consistent with what Jesus Christ taught. Thank you.

Confused-by-christianity said:

I wouldnt necessarily think that he thought anything. I wouldnt expect there to be a logical flow from one thing to another - all connected and adding up. Maybe there was. Maybe there wasnt and people will try to make it look like there was. ???!!!??? I dont know

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His thought patterns seem to align with what many of the mass shooters seem to be like. Many are the other way inclined, and this is confirmed in the bible.
The Bible speaks directly about them in Romans 1:18–32. It says that when people refuse to give God glory for His creation, He hands them over to a depraved mind. They exchange natural relations for unnatural ones, and then in verses 29–31 it describes them: 'being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;'
Sadly, when people reject God, He gives them over to a debased mind, and the result is great evil. God will hold these people accountable one day for these evil acts.

Confused-by-christianity said:

No. I dont see why i should change anything i do or think.

I do think being outspoken is the easy path. Its tempting and comforting, but it's a weak play and will probably lose.

Maybe this is why i feel disgust when i see heavyweights going into uni places and getting into verbals with much weaker opponents and then putting it all over the internet (at least this is how videos look to me).
Even if these uni students are horribly misguided, mislead, lack control or whatever other error. (Note: Im not talking about charlie kirk here, i dont know what made him famous. Im thinking of some other events and characters)

I think the right thing to do is to return to seeing each other as family members.
Listen,
respect what people think,
understand,
genuinely think of them as your loved ones, like they are your own children.
If we are so good and know so much and are so much more righteous and switched on - then we should demonstrate it.

If our children are misguided - guide them.
if they are mislead - lead them.

I want to see our young people properly mentored and guided by someone who cares more about them than they do about themselves.

Thats what i think is the only viable option. If that doesnt happen, it'll be war.

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Nobody wants war, but true love doesn’t stay silent when people are heading for destruction. Silence is not compassion, it’s neglect. That’s why Christians go into universities. They don’t go to belittle students, but to warn them, guide them, and call them to the truth.

You said we should demonstrate righteousness to our children. That’s right. But if a child veers into danger, we don’t just “live well” in front of them to demonstrate; we warn them by speaking. In the same way, when the lost veer from God, we must speak. This is exactly what faithful believers do in universities: they speak of sin, judgment, hell, heaven, and salvation through Christ. That’s not arrogance, it’s obedience to the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19–20).

Yes, some may do it for show, but they are rare. Enduring constant ridicule and abuse is not easy. What drives most is not ego but the Holy Spirit, who compels them with a burden for the lost (2 Corinthians 5:14).
I know this firsthand. I go out and share the Gospel myself. I’ve been mocked, insulted, and rejected. Humanly speaking, I’d rather stay home. But there’s a fire in me that says, “These people must hear.” That is the Spirit’s work, not mine. And because eternity is at stake, I cannot stay silent.

If we claim to care for the lost but never open our mouths, then our love is shallow and self-protective, not the love of Christ who laid down His life to save sinners.

joechristianwarrior said:

There is no denying that Charlie Kirk was a very skilled debater and public orator. But a Christian? I think that's debatable. I would challenge people who are convinced Kirk was a *Christian* martyr - not just a political one - to name ten things Charlie said which are consistent with what Jesus Christ taught. Thank you.

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I wouldn’t necessarily call him a Christian martyr, but what matters is that he went into universities to speak about God and how to live righteously. Alongside discussions of politics and sport, he made God known. Whether or not he was perfect, the key point is that people heard of God because of his efforts. That’s what counts in evangelism, faithfulness in proclaiming truth, even if imperfectly.

1Tonne said:

... Yes. You don’t have to be Charlie Kirk. But God has given us the same Spirit that was in him; ...
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Finally, consider this: most of us believe God can speak directly to a believer to give a message that is to be passed on, this is prophecy. But Revelation 19:10 says, “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” That means when we share the Gospel, we are prophesying. In other words, when the Holy Spirit fills a person and they begin to testify about Jesus, that is prophecy, Spirit-filled evangelism.
So, do not squash the Spirit with us. Let's all speak with Boldness and Clarity and let the Spirit be the drive/power that give us the desire to speak.

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Thank you for sharing your faith with me.

I also think that god has given us as a gift a part of himself.

and so i think that the spirit of god was in charlie kirk and you & i also.

i personally think that it's up to each of us to work with the spirit of god within us and create a life together.

I appreciate your view (and agree) that the spirit of god in me and the spirit of god within you - are one and will have consistency in it's speaking.

I also think there is room for unique expression as well.

Thanks again for sharing.

joechristianwarrior said:

There is no denying that Charlie Kirk was a very skilled debater and public orator. But a Christian? I think that's debatable. I would challenge people who are convinced Kirk was a *Christian* martyr - not just a political one - to name ten things Charlie said which are consistent with what Jesus Christ taught. Thank you.

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He preached the gospel in a very Christian fashion.

We also need to proclaim that any death resulting from political violence is tragic in God’s sight. Why must a citizen view other citizens as enemies? I think now more than ever we must gather around the constitution that serves as a founding document for our nation identity.

Divisive, inflammatory, hostile rhetoric must be curtailed. We are not enemies. We are countrymen. Let us not imagine that we can justify our political hatred or somehow reconcile it with our following Christ.