Hi there I'm new here...I have a good question..who is the redeeme r of the fatherless? Honestly I don't think it's God or jesus..please explain ??!!
-
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
-
CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
What is the name of the redeemer of the fatherless ?
- Thread starter Danny boy2
- Start date
PloverWing
Episcopalian
- May 5, 2012
- 5,272
- 6,287
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Female
- Faith
- Anglican
- Marital Status
- Married
Welcome to CF! 
What passage do you have in mind? Proverbs 23:10-11, perhaps, or something else?
What passage do you have in mind? Proverbs 23:10-11, perhaps, or something else?
Upvote
0
Welcome to CF!
What passage do you have in mind? Proverbs 23:10-11, perhaps, or something else?
Upvote
0
PloverWing
Episcopalian
- May 5, 2012
- 5,272
- 6,287
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Female
- Faith
- Anglican
- Marital Status
- Married
The author of Proverbs doesn't specify, as you have observed. My study Bibles suggest the following as options: 1) a human king or other ruler who can step in when there's no kinsman-protector; or 2) God, who in many places in Scripture is portrayed as the protector of the defenseless. One of my Bible translations capitalizes "Guardian" ("they have a powerful Guardian who will take up their cause against you", 23:11 REB), indicating that that particular translator favors the interpretation of the Guardian (Redeemer) being God.
Upvote
0
Richard T
Well-Known Member
- Mar 25, 2018
- 3,327
- 2,111
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Single
A great question and one I never considered before. I would lean to a double meaning here. "he will plead their cause" suggests Jesus not Father God, because the Jesus is the one who pleads are cases, not the Father? Possible too the redeemer is the dead father's nearest male relative.
Like Boaz redeemed Ruth.
Like Boaz redeemed Ruth.
Upvote
0
Of I'm honest I looked up in the proverbs what is the truth that will set me free and it said Do not move an ancient landmark or enter the fields of the fatherless,
11
for their Redeemer is strong;he will plead their cause against you.
Whoever he is he is treating me great and that proverb is a promise
I feel like the prodigal son that has been resisting against the system
And feel sad because I want to talk to him eye to eye and ask for a job and a better life where live I feel like an orphan living in jail and I love the redeeme r
but I want a job like that song give me a deal give me security I want to be a working man that Sep arates himself to have milk or honey day or night and herb for my wine and honey for my my strong drink and work a good job not just a freeloader but I'm getting sad and I'm sick of sinning and I want to make him proud and my mother proud and read my proverbs daily and I don't want no hard drugs or alcohol and like tha t plan is great
11
for their Redeemer is strong;he will plead their cause against you.
Whoever he is he is treating me great and that proverb is a promise
I feel like the prodigal son that has been resisting against the system
And feel sad because I want to talk to him eye to eye and ask for a job and a better life where live I feel like an orphan living in jail and I love the redeeme r
but I want a job like that song give me a deal give me security I want to be a working man that Sep arates himself to have milk or honey day or night and herb for my wine and honey for my my strong drink and work a good job not just a freeloader but I'm getting sad and I'm sick of sinning and I want to make him proud and my mother proud and read my proverbs daily and I don't want no hard drugs or alcohol and like tha t plan is great
Upvote
0
Reluctant Theologian
אַבְרָהָם
- Jul 13, 2021
- 781
- 595
- Country
- Australia
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Single
One of the answers can be found in Psalm 68:4-5 where the the short form of the name of God, YHWH, is tied to this:
Sing to God, sing praises to His name;
Lift up a song for Him who rides through the deserts,
Whose name is Yah, and exult before Him.
A father of the fatherless and a judge for the widows,
Is God in His holy habitation.
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
28Thy God commanded thy strength: strengthen, O God, this thou didst for us
Consider this aren't they saying in psalm 68
Verse 28
There is a God of god?
also psalm 110
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
So again it says there may be a Lord of the Lord
What do you think about that?
Any advice
Consider this aren't they saying in psalm 68
Verse 28
There is a God of god?
also psalm 110
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
So again it says there may be a Lord of the Lord
What do you think about that?
Any advice
Upvote
0
Reluctant Theologian
אַבְרָהָם
- Jul 13, 2021
- 781
- 595
- Country
- Australia
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Single
That's easy .. you have to check the Hebrew for that - the English translation just won't bring the understanding.
Psalm 68:28 uses the word 'elohim' - that's a word literally meaning something like 'mighty ones' (plural). It could refer to YHWH, to heavenly beings, to human judges. That's why it can be used for more than one being; it doesn't always refer to YHWH.
Psalm 110:1 is a different case, that verse uses YHWH as a personal name and 'my master/lord' (adoni). So YHWH is speaking to the master of David, which is the Messiah - literally YHWH speaking to His Messiah.
No confusion left.
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, with whom there is no change or shifting shadow.b 18He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation. So what about this my friends
Upvote
0
Similar threads
