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Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

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Those aren't legitimate studies. They are studies with an agenda. Rhere is leftist violence going on right now in Portland, or was very recently. They aren't counting all.leftist violence and maybe only those that have gotten arrested. They didn't count the attacks on Tesla, they didn't count the riots in 2020, they didnt count.

Even the FBI recognized Anarchist Terroriism which is leftist as the greatest threat.

Strategic Intelligence Assessment and Data on Domestic Terrorism - 2022 | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Since 2016 there are at least 180 documented individual attacks on the right feom the left. These dont even include the other atracks by leftists like Antifa or other leftists. In fact leftists are actually supporting these atrocities.
Why Progressives Increasingly Support Violence

I mean we even see the uptick. Its u deniable.

Its going to get worse unless all the normies on the left including the Democrats in Congress start backing off the rhetoric and speaking out against it. Quit trying to minimize it, quit saying its wrong but.....

Admit its leftist oriented and say its unacceptable, evil and will not be tolerated. I want the left to bang on the table and say that this is leftist violence and it has got to stop.
 
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Fun fact, did you know that during Trump's inauguration in 2017 there were 234 people who were arrested for violent acts resulting in 6 officers sustaining serious injuries and none of it was counted as politically ideological?
Thos is what I'm talking about. We ALL see it. We ALL know it, and we all see how its not being counted. Its a scam.
 
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Anyone can read his bio and the subject of some of the articles he has written to see that he represents the far-right.
The first article I see is him condemning anti-semitism and condemning Tucker Carlson. He needs to re-take far-right 101 class.
He apparently didn't take the time to read or he didn't understand the purpose of the ADL study he was criticizing. The ADL never claims that all of the murders contained in the report had ideological motives. In fact, most were murders committed by individuals that held extremist views, with the murder being unrelated to those views.
Then they are neither right nor left.
 
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Trump recently pardoned a thousand right-wing criminals who tried to assassinate the VP and Speaker of the House. The left has long long long long way to go to catch up to right-wing violence.
I didn't know it was possible to kill people by taking selfies.
 
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Even the FBI recognized Anarchist Terroriism which is leftist as the greatest threat.

Strategic Intelligence Assessment and Data on Domestic Terrorism - 2022 | Federal Bureau of Investigation
Did you even read the FBI report you linked to? It clearly shows that right-wing violent extremism is the greatest threat.

The IC assesses that racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVEs) and militia violent extremists (MVEs) present the most lethal DVE threats, with RMVEs most likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks against civilians."

"We assess that RMVEs who are driven by a belief in the superiority of the white race continue to pose the primary threat among DVEs of committing lethal violence against civilians."

"RMVEs... have been responsible for a majority of DVE-related deaths since 2010.
 
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The ADL study found that those who adhere to far-right ideologies are more likely to commit violent acts than those that adhere to left-wing ideologies.
Interesting opinion piece. Let’s look at some actual research:

“Across both datasets, we find that radical acts perpetrated by individuals associated with left-wing causes are less likely to be violent. In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists.”

I read as much as I could take. Insanely bad gaslighting attempt and bad research. I couldn't even find where they mention the time period. They include the Animal Liberation Front and the Weather Underground as far-left. Maybe you can ask your grandfather who the Weather Underground was.

There's been more far-left violence in America in the last four months, than there has been from the far-right in the 21st century so far. And don't forget the year 2020.
 
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The Black Panthers weren't overtly misogynistic. In fact the Black Panthers had alot of women participating in important community roles.

The Black Panthers were also founded primarily as a community empowerment group. They weren't necessarily explicitly racist, even if they had justifiable suspicions of white-dominated power structures.
It was talked about a lot. Angela Davis wrote about it. Misogynoir and Angela Davis' Impact on Misogyny Within the Black Panther Party — The Status Quo Project
 
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There's been more far-left violence in America in the last four months, than there has been from the far-right in the 21st century so far. And don't forget the year 2020.
Evidence please.
 
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Thos is what I'm talking about. We ALL see it. We ALL know it, and we all see how its not being counted. Its a scam.
Has it dawned on you that if you ‘know’ something is true but what you think is true isn’t actually showing up it might be because what you think you know is incorrect?

The evidence from actual research suggests that the position you hold is incorrect.

“Our primary predictor was a mutually exclusive categorical variable and included individuals who were identified as committed to Islamist, right-wing, or left-wing causes. Examples of groups supporting Islamist ideology included al-Qaeda and Hezbollah; examples of groups supporting right-wing ideology included the Ku Klux Klan and the National Alliance; and examples of groups supporting left-wing ideology included the Animal Liberation Front and the Weather Underground. Right-wing supporters represented 59%, left-wing 23%, and Islamist 18% of the sample. We created two dummy-coded variables with far-right ideology as the reference category.”

“First, data on extremists in the United States showed that left-wing radicals were less likely to use violence than right-wing and Islamist radicals. Second, using worldwide data we found that in comparison to right-wing and Islamist groups, attacks motivated by left-wing groups were less deadly. These substantive conclusions were not affected by the inclusion of a set of control variables. Thus, the main findings appear to be robust across levels of analysis (i.e., individuals, groups) and geographical scope of the data.

Our results are in line with past research showing that conservative ideology—represented in our datasets by both right-wing and Islamist causes—is positively related to violent political behavior. These results support the view that left-wing and right-wing extremists are not equivalent when it comes to the use of violence (48; see also [49] for related findings on the victims of hate crimes in the United States). Whereas our findings are not inconsistent with the idea that individuals espousing different ideologies may feel equally negative toward worldview-threatening others (50), they suggest that the social consequences of extreme right-wing hostility may be more harmful than those caused by the far left (see [50] for a similar point).

At the same time, available data leave us agnostic as to the exact causal process between these variables. It could be that characteristics of individuals who are drawn to right-wing causes predispose them to greater aggressiveness. Such a hypothesis would be in line with past research on the psychological makeup of conservatives versus liberals (5). It is also possible that it is rather the characteristics of the cause that drive the use of violence. For example, it could be that right-wing causes are associated with stronger moral convictions or a greater sense of threat among their followers, which makes their adherents willing to use more extreme measures to attain their cause. Finally, the content of the political cause (e.g., hierarchy-enhancing vs. hierarchy-attenuating) may interact with individual characteristics (e.g., value of equality vs. dominance) and result in varying levels of violence. Future research could investigate the exact mechanisms behind the relationships identified in our data.”

 
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Are you even serious right now? If you're going to talk about American politics you should read and watch some American news.
No evidence presented. One should not assert that which cannot be evidenced. To invoke Hitchin’s Razor.
 
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No evidence presented. One should not assert that which cannot be evidenced. To invoke Hitchin’s Razor.
Did you know that Americans put a man on the moon? It's true!
 
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Did you know that Americans put a man on the moon? It's true!
Did you mix me up with another poster? That’s not evidence of the left being more violent than the right (over any time period).
 
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Did you mix me up with another poster? That’s not evidence of the left being more violent than the right (over any time period).
If what you can see with your own eyes isn't evidence, I can't help you.
 
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If what you can see with your own eyes isn't evidence, I can't help you.
Insisting something is true without being able to back it up doesn’t work. If it’s so obvious and not just your unsubstantiated belief you should have no trouble presenting some hard data (like I did in post 50].
 
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Insisting something is true without being able to back it up doesn’t work. If it’s so obvious and not just your unsubstantiated belief you should have no trouble presenting some hard data (like I did in post 50].
Okay, show me all the far-right violence from the last four months...and then it will be my turn. Hope you have time to spare.
 
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Our primary predictor was a mutually exclusive categorical variable and included individuals who were identified as committed to Islamist, right-wing, or left-wing causes. Examples of groups supporting Islamist ideology included al-Qaeda and Hezbollah; examples of groups supporting right-wing ideology included the Ku Klux Klan and the National Alliance; and examples of groups supporting left-wing ideology included the Animal Liberation Front and the Weather Underground.
This is the problem. Its NOT an accurate representation. For example, rhe right seems to have a prediliction for groups. While there are groups on the left, its more likely the right is going to have a group. The left is more likely to have unorganized groups. For example Antifa. Rhe left continually claims they aren't a group because they have no specific structure. So violence done by them isnt counted in the research. A bunch of people attack Tesla owners and dealerships, isn't counted, becauae they are not a group and no one died.

Riots in rhe streets are not counted as leftist violence.

You seemed other research done and the methodology is garbage. Only deaths are counted.

I do think there was a time when radical right wingers were more dangerous and committed more violence. But not anymore. Times have changed.
 
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Insisting something is true without being able to back it up doesn’t work. If it’s so obvious and not just your unsubstantiated belief you should have no trouble presenting some hard data (like I did in post 50].
I think one reason it's hard to accept the data is because the right doesn't claim the far right.
We don't like them, we don't agree with them, we dont accept them and we don't want to be associated with them.
The left seems to want to accept as much of the far left as they can get away with
 
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