Has Kirk's Death Prompted You?

Godcrazy · Wednesday at 4:37 PM

Pepperdoodle said:
I've been that way since Obama's horrible policies got in the White House.
Most of them don't care.
They won't kill me. They don't decide when I die.
Oh I know, you can word something as gentle as possible, but they still get offended.
I don't worry about it anymore given how hateful and angry they are.
Example are those who host The (biased) View...teh hatefulness at that table is thick...and they do't care.
Thank you for standing up for truth and speaking out.
Charlie would appreciate it!!

all part of their agenda. however they have no power over Jesus. actually, the movie higher entities by fourthwatchfilms.com talk to eyewitnesses or those in close proximity of them how they worked with nephilim and was preparing for an intergalactic war with God and thought they could win and they had to sign affidavits saying they can`t use the name of Jesus, not even as a cuss word. says it all. and who is really behind. someone else that could see into the spirit realm said those higher up are controlled, or even taken over. and they encourage everything we see. says it all. I am sure Charlie is in heaven and got a standing applause. If enough stand up they can`t do everyone.

Akita Suggagaki · Wednesday at 5:23 PM

1Tonne said:
I do not think that the left and the right are the same. If they were, then they would be working together. The right is not perfect, but looking at it from a Christian perspective, the right is a lot better than the left by a long shot.

I never said they were the same. They both err egregiously in different ways. It sounds like you want Christian Nationalism.

1Tonne · Wednesday at 5:43 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
I never said they were the same. They both err egregiously in different ways. It sounds like you want Christian Nationalism.

I wouldn't mind it if the whole country were Christian.

I guess we have veered off topic a little into politics. Though I do not mind talking about politics, the original question was, has the Charlie Kirk death encouraged you to be more outspoken?

Gregory Thompson · Wednesday at 5:53 PM

1Tonne said:
What one of these, then, do you think I have wrong:

Sometimes the premise underlying the question is wrong,
sometimes there is a lack of consistency in obeying one thing God says vs another,
and sometimes the question contains many questions: it attempts to appear simple, yet it is manipulative in nature.

1Tonne said:
-Are you for abortion—the killing of unborn children?

No

1Tonne said:
-Do you believe marriage can be redefined and denigrated instead of remaining as God ordained, one man and one woman?

Kindly Rephrase to a straightforward question, if the premise contains lies, no answer can be true.

1Tonne said:
-Is homosexuality a sin, as Scripture says, or do you excuse it?

Yes, homosexuality is a sin. Divorced people remarrying is a sin. Divorced people remarrying is commonly excused, so I would ask the church to be consistent on these two issues.

1Tonne said:
-Should mentally ill men be allowed to dress in drag and perform sexual acts in front of children?

Kindly Rephrase to a straightforward question, if the premise contains lies, no answer can be true.

1Tonne said:
-Do you believe the government should raise our kids instead of parents?

Sometimes. Especially if the parents are abusive, or their kids turn out to be bullies.

1Tonne said:
-Is it good to excuse crime / and protect criminals rather than victims?

No / No

1Tonne said:
-Do you think those who preach the Bible should be silenced or punished?

Sometimes, since persecution helps the church grow.

1Tonne said:
-Is it acceptable for someone to take their own life, instead of trusting God?

Question makes sense until the comma.

1Tonne said:
-Should children be told they can change their sex, against God’s design?

Sexualizing children is wrong. Since sin entered the creation, (according to scripture) the role of God's design in any equation is questionable.

1Tonne said:
-Do you believe it’s good to make people dependent on the government instead of working with their own hands?

Kindly Rephrase to a straightforward question, if the premise contains lies, no answer can be true. Furthermore, oppressing the poor is a good way to go to hell.

1Tonne said:
-Is it right to belittle or twist God’s Word to fit culture?

Kindly Rephrase to a straightforward question, if the premise contains lies, no answer can be true.

1Tonne said:
-Do you believe Christians should compromise with the world, or stand firm in truth no matter the cost?

I have doubts in your understanding of what truth is.

1Tonne said:
NOTE: I do not think you will answer. If you do, it will be a statement that avoids answering these questions.

You're right, that was too much effort, but God compels me to be generous.

Akita Suggagaki · Wednesday at 8:10 PM

1Tonne said:
I wouldn't mind it if the whole country were Christian.

If Christians could agree on what that would mean and still not make non Christians feel second class. Of course it would be unconstitutional.

1Tonne said:
I guess we have veered off topic a little into politics. Though I do not mind talking about politics, the original question was, has the Charlie Kirk death encouraged you to be more outspoken?

As I said, it encouraged me to be a better listener. That is counter cultural and really quite a challenge since we have been groomed to proclaim our opinions as facts, hear only what we want to hear, double down and think the worst of those who do not share our views and beliefs.

Michie · Wednesday at 9:06 PM

1Tonne said:
I wouldn't mind it if the whole country were Christian.

I guess we have veered off topic a little into politics. Though I do not mind talking about politics, the original question was, has the Charlie Kirk death encouraged you to be more outspoken?

Well of course people veer off onto politics because it seems politics inform their faith which is a sad thing to see. It’s a form of idol worship. Many seem to forget what the great commission means. They think it means being popular with whom ever comes along and trying to not be too offending to save face. People care more about their appearance to their peers than their Maker. That will save them for sure!

I would not mind at all if the whole world were Christian. But that’s not what Christ left us with. He left us with an assignment called the Great Commission.

1Tonne · Wednesday at 9:38 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
If Christians could agree on what that would mean and still not make non Christians feel second class.

That would be really wrong if a Christian made a non-believer feel second-class. I have never seen that.
Though if an unbeliever takes offence at a Christian pointing out sin, then that is fine. It simply means that the unbeliever's conscience was pricked, and he did not like it. That happens. (Some Christians prefer to say a soft Gospel that does not prick the conscience and this too is really wrong)

Akita Suggagaki said:
As I said, it encouraged me to be a better listener. That is counter cultural and really quite a challenge since we have been groomed to proclaim our opinions as facts, hear only what we want to hear, double down and think the worst of those who do not share our views and beliefs.

Yes. Listen and then do as Jesus, the disciple and Paul did, proclaim the truth of God.

Akita Suggagaki · Thursday at 9:05 AM

1Tonne said:
That would be really wrong if a Christian made a non-believer feel second-class. I have never seen that.
Though if an unbeliever takes offence at a Christian pointing out sin, then that is fine. It simply means that the unbeliever's conscience was pricked, and he did not like it. That happens. (Some Christians prefer to say a soft Gospel that does not prick the conscience and this too is really wrong)

Yes. Listen and then do as Jesus, the disciple and Paul did, proclaim the truth of God.

Christian history and its religious imperialism has shown us what can happen.

Again I think of St Francis of Assisi. He lived at a time when most of Europe was “Christian”. Just about everyone heard about the faith. And yet saw corruption. He started with himself and undertook a life of penance, personal reform that lead to prayer, ministry and community. His preaching appealed to almost everyone.

1Tonne · Thursday at 4:02 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
Christian history and its religious imperialism has shown us what can happen.

Again I think of St Francis of Assisi. He lived at a time when most of Europe was “Christian”. Just about everyone heard about the faith. And yet saw corruption. He started with himself and undertook a life of penance, personal reform that lead to prayer, ministry and community. His preaching appealed to almost everyone.

Francis had another quote that was attributed to him, “Preach the Gospel, and if necessary, use words”. This quote has become one of the biggest excuses for cowardice in the church. It gives people a holy-sounding reason to stay silent when Christ commanded us to speak. Preaching without words is not preaching at all. It’s like saying, “Feed the hungry, and if necessary, use food.” Absurd and wrong.

You’re a chaplain. You’re in the very place where eternity weighs heavily, people staring death in the face. If ever there was a time to speak, it’s there. To stay silent in that moment is not gentleness, it’s betrayal. Ezekiel 33 warns us that if we see the sword coming and fail to sound the warning, the blood of the perishing is on our hands.

Yes, our lives must back up our words, but they can never replace them. The apostles didn’t get imprisoned and killed for “living quietly.” They were hated because they spoke, they proclaimed Christ crucified, risen, and returning. Paul said, “Woe to me if I do not preach the Gospel!” (1 Corinthians 9:16).

Chaplaincy without proclamation is just social work with a cross pinned to it. You may clothe, comfort, and pray softly, but if you withhold the Gospel, you leave souls unprepared to meet their Judge. Jesus said, “Whoever is ashamed of Me and of My words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed” (Luke 9:26).
Silence in those moments is not compassion, it’s unbelief or fear of man dressed up as piety. The dying don’t need vague kindness; they need the truth that can save them.

Gregory Thompson · Thursday at 7:34 PM

Wow tell us what you really think.

Airing grievances is incomplete without a confession of sins.

"I will boast of my weaknesses so Christ's power will rest on me" (Bible, feel free to look it up.)

Pepperdoodle · Thursday at 7:46 PM

Gregory Thompson said:
Wow tell us what you really think.

Airing grievances is incomplete without a confession of sins.

"I will boast of my weaknesses so Christ's power will rest on me" (Bible, feel free to look it up.)

Is your reply to me?
If so, what's your grievance with the post?

Lukaris · Thursday at 8:18 PM

Godcrazy said:
As a scandinavian it is common and fully accepted to be outspoken. THOUGH we are careful to be "nice" about it. We allow everyone to have their say, have their own beliefs, live and let live. nothing changed there. we do not see much of the strong divisions you see in the US. we have never had that tradition. we think it is too far and ridiculous. we shake our head. we are like just let people have their say no point arguing. you cannot change others.

I am American & I remember becoming an adult in the 1980s from high school to my mid 20s. I was politically minded then & there was plenty of arguments, name calling, obscene gestures etc. The thing is, I don’t remember anyone wanting to become so easily violent about even bitter disagreements. I didn’t hate the people I disagreed with; I was often an arrogant & onery ignoramus but to actually intend violent harm was unthinkable.

Pepperdoodle · Thursday at 8:42 PM

Lukaris said:
I am American & I remember becoming an adult in the 1980s from high school to my mid 20s. I was politically minded then & there was plenty of arguments, name calling, obscene gestures etc. The thing is, I don’t remember anyone wanting to become so easily violent about even bitter disagreements. I didn’t hate the people I disagreed with; I was often an arrogant & onery ignoramus but to actually intend violent harm was unthinkable.

Similar here too. It was different years/decades ago....but one thing we didn't have before the early 1990's was this thing we're on right now...the internet, the web.
The portal...trap in a way, one that gives instant access which causes instant reactions which come form instant reactions we see with others so we instantly jump on the anger train and off we all go, depending on the issue at hand.
So with instant this and that comes instant group think reactions and feeding off of each other, but also come jumping to conclusion before all the details are out. Back in the day you would here a piece of initial info, but then had to wait to here each piece as it came out. Plus you really didn't see much reaction to any of it other than those you were directly around which didn't result in knee jerk reaction of groups of people going on a war path.
So here we are now and look how lovely it is in general

Michie · Thursday at 9:22 PM

St. Francis of Assisi did not actually say, "Preach the Gospel at all times; use words if necessary," but the quote is often attributed to him and captures the essence of his approach to living the Gospel. Francis did preach the Gospel by his actions, living a life of radical poverty and love, but he also preached with his words, sometimes to people and even to animals. While the quote is problematic for creating a false dichotomy between actions and words, it reflects Francis's overall dedication to living out and proclaiming the message of Christ.

The Misattributed Quote

- False attribution:
  There is no evidence St. Francis ever uttered the specific phrase "Preach the Gospel at all times; use words if necessary".
- Franciscan source:
  The sentiment likely stems from the Franciscan Rule, which encouraged brothers to "preach by their deeds".

How Francis Preached the Gospel

By example:
Francis lived a life of poverty, humility, and service, embodying the Gospel message and inspiring others through his radical lifestyle.

By word:
He was also a preacher who fearlessly proclaimed the Gospel to people in various settings, from the courts of the rich to the streets of Assisi.

To all creation:
According to legend, Francis even preached to the birds, showcasing a profound connection to all of God's creation as a means of spreading the message of Christ.

Why the Quote is Problematic

False dichotomy:
The quote falsely creates a divide between living the Gospel through actions and proclaiming it through words, when both are essential.

Disrespects the power of words:
It can imply that words are less important or only necessary in certain situations, neglecting the essential role of spoken proclamation in spreading the faith.

Can excuse inaction:
The phrase is sometimes used to justify a reluctance to speak the Gospel, promoting complacency rather than active evangelism.

1Tonne · Thursday at 9:38 PM

Gregory Thompson said:
Wow tell us what you really think.

I will tell the truth, even if it’s hard for people to hear; people didn’t always like what Charlie had to say, either. It may be confronting, but sometimes that’s exactly what is needed to rouse someone from apathy. My hope is that, by speaking boldly about Gospel proclamation, someone who has been silent or complacent will be inspired, or even prodded, maybe even pushed, into opening their mouth and proclaiming Christ. The stakes are too high for soft words or avoidance: eternal souls are at risk.

Gregory Thompson said:
Airing grievances is incomplete without a confession of sins.

"I will boast of my weaknesses so Christ's power will rest on me" (Bible, feel free to look it up.)

Not sure what you mean by this??

Lukaris said:
I am American & I remember becoming an adult in the 1980s from high school to my mid 20s. I was politically minded then & there was plenty of arguments, name calling, obscene gestures etc. The thing is, I don’t remember anyone wanting to become so easily violent about even bitter disagreements. I didn’t hate the people I disagreed with; I was often an arrogant & onery ignoramus but to actually intend violent harm was unthinkable.

This also goes back to post number 58 that I made where I said:
"The Bible speaks directly about them in Romans 1:18–32. It says that when people refuse to give God glory for His creation, He hands them over to a depraved mind. They exchange natural relations for unnatural ones, and then in verses 29–31 it describes them: 'being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;'
Sadly, when people reject God, He gives them over to a debased mind, and the result is great evil. God will hold these people accountable one day for these evil acts.

Michie said:
St. Francis of Assisi did not actually say

That is why I worded it carefully. I said "Attributed to him"
There is still the chance that he did actually say it, but there is no recorded evidence. It was only verbally passed down that he said it.

Michie said:
Francis did preach the Gospel by his actions, living a life of radical poverty and love, but he also preached with his words,

I do understand what Francis was getting at: our actions should reflect what we believe. Feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, and caring for others are vital because people are made in the image of God. But Francis himself also spoke; he was not silent.
In fact, I think Francis of Assisi would be grieved to see how many people now hide behind that misattributed quote as an excuse for silence, rather than following his example of both living and boldly proclaiming the Gospel.

Gregory Thompson · Thursday at 10:00 PM

Pepperdoodle said:
Is your reply to me?
If so, what's your grievance with the post?

Nope, not related to you.

Gregory Thompson · Thursday at 10:01 PM

1Tonne said:
I will tell the truth, even if it’s hard for people to hear; people didn’t always like what Charlie had to say, either. It may be confronting, but sometimes that’s exactly what is needed to rouse someone from apathy. My hope is that, by speaking boldly about Gospel proclamation, someone who has been silent or complacent will be inspired, or even prodded, maybe even pushed, into opening their mouth and proclaiming Christ. The stakes are too high for soft words or avoidance: eternal souls are at risk.

Not sure what you mean by this??

You haven't been pushed far enough yet to see how sin and your words are related.

And that's not my job.

Sawdust in one person's eye and a plank in yours, etc.

1Tonne · Thursday at 11:12 PM

Gregory Thompson said:
You haven't been pushed far enough yet to see how sin and your words are related.

And that's not my job.

Sawdust in one person's eye and a plank in yours, etc.

I understand the need for humility and self-examination. Scripture is clear that we must first deal with our own sin before pointing out others’ faults (Matthew 7:3–5). I fully acknowledge my weaknesses and rely on Christ’s power daily.
But humility does not cancel the command to proclaim the Gospel. Jesus did not say, “Wait until you are perfect before you speak.” He commanded us to go and preach (Mark 16:15) and warned that the lost will not hear unless someone speaks to them (Romans 10:14). Paul declared, “Woe to me if I do not preach the Gospel!” (1 Corinthians 9:16).
Yes, I examine my heart, but I will not let fear, self-consciousness, or concern over imperfection silence me when souls are at stake. Boldness in speaking the truth in love is not arrogance, it is obedience

Gregory Thompson · 2025-09-26T03:54:32-0500

1Tonne said:
I understand the need for humility and self-examination. Scripture is clear that we must first deal with our own sin before pointing out others’ faults (Matthew 7:3–5). I fully acknowledge my weaknesses and rely on Christ’s power daily.
But humility does not cancel the command to proclaim the Gospel. Jesus did not say, “Wait until you are perfect before you speak.” He commanded us to go and preach (Mark 16:15) and warned that the lost will not hear unless someone speaks to them (Romans 10:14). Paul declared, “Woe to me if I do not preach the Gospel!” (1 Corinthians 9:16).
Yes, I examine my heart, but I will not let fear, self-consciousness, or concern over imperfection silence me when souls are at stake. Boldness in speaking the truth in love is not arrogance, it is obedience

I don't really have any complaints until you start telling others what to do.

Instructions for each person in the Kingdom of God come from God, and they may differ from yours.

Someday, you'll just need to accept that.

1Tonne · 2025-09-26T04:07:23-0500

Gregory Thompson said:
I don't really have any complaints until you start telling others what to do.

Instructions for each person in the Kingdom of God come from God, and they may differ from yours.

Someday, you'll just need to accept that.

I disagree. The commands of Christ are not subjective or tailored differently for each believer. Jesus didn’t give one set of instructions to one disciple and another to the rest. He said plainly: “Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15). That command is for every Christian, not just a select few.
Of course, God gives unique callings and roles within the Body, but the foundational command to proclaim the Gospel is universal. To suggest otherwise is to excuse disobedience under the guise of “different instructions.”
Paul warned against this very attitude: “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine… they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations… do the work of an evangelist” (2 Timothy 4:3–5).

So no, I will not “accept” a watered-down Gospel or the idea that silence is obedience. The Word of God is clear; if we believe, we must speak (2 Corinthians 4:13).

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