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Famed feminist website Jezebel paid witches on Etsy to curse Charlie Kirk — 2 days before he was assassinated

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Feminist website Jezebel boasted that a reporter paid witches on Etsy to “curse” MAGA conservative influencer Charlie Kirk two days before he was assassinated in Utah — with the publication later forced to add an editor’s note condemning the heinous act of violence.

The unsettling article ripped the Turning Point USA founder before recounting how the unnamed reporter forked over cash for “multiple curses” on him — and expressed panic that the spells hadn’t worked.

“Are you interested in punishing Kirk for the years of regressive rhetoric he’s shouted at America’s youth and anyone within earshot?” the disturbing article read.

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I am going to take an educated guess that it took much more than 2 days to radicalize the killer of Charlie Kirk, therefore, their boasting is nothing but idle talk like it always is with people with these kinds of beliefs. Their curse did not have any part on his killing.
 
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Meh. A satire article from somebody who knows about as much about witchcraft as they do Charlie Kirk. The killer had been plotting this for awhile and I suspect the Etsy witch curse on Charlie Kirk was about as effective as any curse purchased on Etsy would be.
 
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There may be some truth in their statement and it lines up astronomically. The article was posted on September 9th and two days prior the moon was full. If you were going to do a ritual that’s the time. He died on a Wednesday which is connected to Mercury and communication which could be coincidental.

And the bible doesn’t say a christian can’t be cursed. It says a curse without cause will not alight. Which gets into deeper teachings on altars and legal rights.

~bella
 
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There may be some truth in their statement and it lines up astronomically. The article was posted on September 9th and two days prior the moon was full. If you were going to do a ritual that’s the time. He died on a Wednesday which is connected to Mercury and communication which could be coincidental.
Moon cycle only really matters if they’re Wiccan, and since they’re doing curses it seems reasonable to assume they’re not Wiccan. Witches don’t do rituals on just the full moon and for a malevolent curse with somebody who follows any ritualistic form of witchcraft it would be more expected they’d do it during the new moon. It took me all of 30 seconds to find the listing and the person works with Hecate and Lilith, which points to new moon if they were super serious about adhering to any guiding moon principle.

Really the whole “what the moon cycle is” for spell work exists for social media witchcraft, not people who practice learned or family or secular magic. And days of the week only matter in more European practices since that’s a man made, non-natural, artificial construct.

It’s also optimistic to assume that somebody did the spell, it got written about, submitted, edited, and approved for posting, then posted in only 2 days. I think the only witchcraft at play here is the magic of bad timing.

The overwhelming likelihood is that said Etsy witch collected their $1.60, took a picture of a burned picture of Kirk and some candles, and called it a day without doing anything. Their qualifications of “master-level witch” is nonsense.
 
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Moon cycle only really matters if they’re Wiccan, and since they’re doing curses it seems reasonable to assume they’re not Wiccan. Witches don’t do rituals on just the full moon and for a malevolent curse with somebody who follows any ritualistic form of witchcraft it would be more expected they’d do it during the new moon. It took me all of 30 seconds to find the listing and the person works with Hecate and Lilith, which points to new moon if they were super serious about adhering to any guiding moon principle.

I didn’t mention anything specific related to witchcraft. Nor are Wiccan‘s wholly entrenched with white magick. Many are gray and they aren’t the only ones who do rituals or curses but I didn’t think it was necessary to get into that.

~bella
 
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I didn’t mention anything specific related to witchcraft. Nor are Wiccan‘s wholly entrenched with white magick. Many are gray and they aren’t the only ones who do rituals or curses but I didn’t think it was necessary to get into that.

~bella
Wiccans don’t do curses pretty universally, and a majority also don’t do the whole white/black/gray thing either, and I said that other witches do rituals and curses.
 
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Wiccans don’t do curses pretty universally, and a majority also don’t do the whole white/black/gray thing either, and I said that other witches do rituals and curses
and you would know this....?
 
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and you would know this....?
Because from 2001-2010 I ran the largest Wiccan/witchcraft website & forum on the internet, as a result was invited to join here in 2003? Or 2007? by Erwin (the original owner of the forums) to haunt the old Non-Christian sections, spoke or taught at over 400 engagements through 2010, another 240ish through 2020, helped co-write 21 books through 2020 (with a break from 2010-2017), wrote 11 books through 2025 (same break as above) under my pen name with 2 more in development, did moonlighting as a fact checker for witchcraft books from 2010 to 2017, had the top blog on the subject on Bravenet until it closed, the top website on the subject on Geocities until it closed, currently own the largest private collection of Tarot cards in the region which has been photographed and used to reconstruct information deemed “lost” in older niche decks, travel to Salem for business and pleasure at least twice a month (except during the busy season), and was basically the first witchy influencer in early social media, before stepping back to explore theology as a whole after I met and fell in love with my devoutly conservative Christian husband in 2008 then having a baby in 2010.

There are 3.5 subjects I’m ridiculously over-informed on, and this is one of the three.
 
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Wiccans don’t do curses pretty universally, and a majority also don’t do the whole white/black/gray thing either, and I said that other witches do rituals and curses.

Once again, you brought Wiccans into the conversation. I’ve been around people from many walks of life. Some were Gardnerian and Alexandrian initiates. Others were occultists of varying stripes. A few followed the Native American Medicine path and had done the sun dance. A few were Celtic Reconstructionists and others were initiates of African Traditional religions or hoodoo practitioners.

The bulk of the people I associated with weren’t Wiccan but I’m familiar with its teachings. Nevertheless, this a christian site and my response reflected a modest acknowledgment without getting into the weeds. I’m not trying to educate anyone on witchcraft.

~bella
 
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Once again, you brought Wiccans into the conversation. I’ve been around people from many walks of life. Some were Gardnerian and Alexandrian initiates. Others were occultists of varying stripes. A few followed the Native American Medicine path and had done the sun dance. A few were Celtic Reconstructionists and others were initiates of African Traditional religions or hoodoo practitioners.

The bulk of the people I associated with weren’t Wiccan but I’m familiar with its teachings. Nevertheless, this a christian site and my response reflected a modest acknowledgment without getting into the weeds. I’m not trying to educate anyone on witchcraft.

~bella
You’re using Wicca, witchcraft, paganism, and ceremonial magic interchangeably, which is I think the issue. They’re not interchangable. Most Wiccans are witches, not all witches are Wiccan, not all people who do “magic” are witches or Wiccan.

You mentioned a theory about the moon cycle and spell casting nuance. I mentioned Wicca in the context that the information you shared is predominately followed by Wiccans and that Wiccans overwhelmingly don’t do curses, so it’s unlikely the theory you floated has “some truth” astrologically as you said it did. Both because the people generally who follow the moon cycle in that style are Wiccans, who don’t do curses, and people who follow them to that degree who aren’t Wiccan would have chosen a different cycle. Even Gardnerian and Alexandrian, which are pretty high ceremony branches, specifically and explicitly disallow curses.

The rest of the practices you mentioned aren’t Wiccan, but they aren’t particularly bound by the moon cycles in that way. That’s Wiccan and social media witchcraft territory.

The person on this listing claims to be just a general master, promises same day rituals, so, again, your statement “there may be some truth in their statement and it lines up astronomically” would still not be accurate. This person charges $1.60, at best fires out a ritual without any real planning of astronomical events, but more likely does nothing at all but an obligatory picture of something that looks vaguely witchy.

It’s not a discussion on how to do witchcraft, it’s me correcting a claim that seems pretty (accidentally) inaccurate given what we know. Since people are harassing and threatening witchy people online over Charlie Kirk’s death, correcting incorrect information and speculation is very important.
 
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You’re using Wicca, witchcraft, paganism, and ceremonial magic interchangeably, which is I think the issue. They’re not interchangable. Most Wiccans are witches, not all witches are Wiccan, not all people who do “magic” are witches or Wiccan.

I’m not using anything and I don’t know why you’re pressing the issue. I know the differences between them each. And I didn’t mention anything about astrology either. I said astronomically which relies on the planets exact position not the fixed systems others use.

If you want to talk about this at length start a thread or make a separate post on the subject. You are taking this further than my initial post and once again I must reiterate this is a christian site. Having associates from various walks of life doesn’t mean I’m ignorant nor am I seeking an in depth discussion on them either.

And I didn’t make a claim. I said there may be some truth.

~bella
 
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I’m not using anything and I don’t know why you’re pressing the issue. I know the differences between them each. And I didn’t mention anything about astrology either. I said astronomically which relies on the planets exact position not the fixed systems others use.

If you want to talk about this at length start a thread or make a separate post on the subject. You are taking this further than my initial post and once again I must reiterate this is a christian site. Having associates from various walks of life doesn’t mean I’m ignorant nor am I seeking an in depth discussion on them either.

And I didn’t make a claim. I said there may be some truth.

~bella
And I explained why there is no claim and why. Such is what occurs in a discussion. There’s no need for another thread since this is the thread discussing the supposed link between witchcraft and his death. I didn’t start the topic, nor did I speculate about the role of astrology (because that is what this is about, not astronomy, and astrology is not about “fixed systems” but constantly changing and in flux). I answered posts made by others on both. I’m also not discussing how to do witchcraft or stating the use of witchcraft is ethical for Christians, but how others regard their use of witchcraft in their practice in the context of comments started by others, which is not against any rules.

I get that you just want to speculate and don’t want to hear why the speculation doesn’t hold up, but I’m not going to pretend I’m not informed on something so somebody can feel comfortable with conjecture… Especially given there are people being threatened and harassed over other people’s theories that aren’t rooted in facts. This may be a Christian forum in name and Christian only section in practice, but it doesn’t mean we have to pretend we know nothing about other practices or that it’s acceptable to be incorrect about their practices especially when trying to connect it to a murder.
 
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I get that you just want to speculate and don’t want to hear why the speculation doesn’t hold up, but I’m not going to pretend I’m not informed on something so somebody can feel comfortable with conjecture…

If you want to expound on your knowledge about the subject do so. But leave me out of the discussion and stop inferring. Running a site on witchcraft doesn’t make you an expert. It demonstrates the depth of your depravity and a questionable moral compass and I’m glad you’ve found your way out of it.

I have never led a group, site, or taken vows. There are lines I‘ve never crossed and never will. I don‘t care what you know on the subject. All of it comes from the pit of hell.

~bella
 
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