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We find all Ten of the Ten Commandments in the New Covenant including the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is still a commandment of God in the NT.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

And the Sabbath remains for the people of God.

Heb: 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The rest used in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath

sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning:
a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

God's people keep God's commandments (His version) and the Sabbath is a commandment of God, that God placed in the same unit as not to worship other gods and not murder our neighbor. Why we see the Sabbath-keeping all throughout the entire Bible including the NT kept by Jesus and the apostles and His faithful followers. :)

Sadly man changed God's Sabbath that most follow as He warned us would happen Dan 7:25
Mt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 
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NT with an exception to keep the Sabbath because Jesus Christ IS our sabbath
Yet Jesus did the will of the Father and commanded us to do likewise. His priorities were straight.
 
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We find all Ten of the Ten Commandments in the New Covenant including the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is still a commandment of God in the NT.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

And the Sabbath remains for the people of God.
No. Jesus had just been buried and not yet resurrected, Jesus was not yet our sabbath rest and the new covenant had not began.
Heb: 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The rest used in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath

sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning:
a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

God's people keep God's commandments (His version) and the Sabbath is a commandment of God, that God placed in the same unit as not to worship other gods and not murder our neighbor. Why we see the Sabbath-keeping all throughout the entire Bible including the NT kept by Jesus and the apostles and His faithful followers. :)

Sadly man changed God's Sabbath that most follow as He warned us would happen Dan 7:25
Actually you are making generalizations here that refute your interpretation. Let’s look at a few more verses here to clarify what the writer of the book intended.

“Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.

[“Therefore” here continues uninterrupted what was being taught in chapter 3 which was the importance of having faith in Christ. This faith is what allows the believer to enter the rest spoken of here.]

For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.

[some that heard the gospel and did not believe]

For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My anger, They certainly shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

[those that believe enter that rest. This is clearly not taking about the Sabbath rest because even those that do not believe in Christ can still enter the Sabbath rest such as Jews]


For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.” Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.”

[back to faith. An exhortation to believe. Obviously David was not preaching the good news of Christ. David sets a certain day not the Sabbath day because this relates to the faith that is needed to enterHis rest now]

For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
[Old testament Joshua could not have given them rest but New Testament Joshua (Jesus) can give them rest through faith.]

Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

[the Sabbath rest here is contrasted with those who enter His, Jesus, rest. Notice that the verse states A Sabbath rest rather than the OT Sabbath rest]

Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.”

[Anyone can take Saturday off and celebrate the Sabbath so there is no effort required. The rest here requires the effort of having faith in our Lord Jesus to obtain His rest.]

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
[Annotations mine]

Man did not change the Sabbath, Jesus did.
 
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Thank you for the clarification. You've given me information for further study.

May I ask, how do you keep the Sabbath? Is it on Saturday? Do you do no work? I'm trying to picture how it would work.
Hi there,

I appreciate the message. That's the best thing to do, is not listen to what popular man says, prayerfully look to see what the Bible says. You will find there is not one Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment was abrogated. Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and Scripture tells us why, God made the earth in six days and rested on the seventh day, not because He needed rest, because He is the example for man and man was made in His image and likeness Gen 1:26 to follow Him 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22, not to do something different. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing Isa 56:1-6 and a sign of God's sanctification Eze 20:12 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 despites ones best efforts.

Jesus never taught not to keep the Sabbath, He Himself kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and taught its lawful to do good on the Sabbath Mat 12:12 meaning, its still Law and its unlawful to profane the Sabbath as He stated over and over again in Scripture all with a thus saith the Lord. He even went on to say breaking the Sabbath profanes Him Eze 22:26 Jesus kept the Sabbath and He is our example in all ways 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22

God wrote His laws in the New Covenant Heb 8:10 they went from written on stone, to written on the heart 2 Cor3:3 so the only change to the Ten Commandments was the placement and the better promise of Him being the one to help us keep His commandments John 14:15-18 if we are not rebelling against God's law Heb 3:7-19 Rom 8:7-8. To claim the Sabbath is not one of God's commandments and He accidently meant to say forget the only commandment that He said Remember, that uses the word holy and is blessed by God, is not a doctrine of Scripture but sadly, the counterfeit always comes after the original. God personally numbered His commandments by design- Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 not nine, nor 8, He promised He would not alter His words Psa 89:34, not a Jot or Tittle Mat 5:18, it is God personal Testimony, written personally by the God of the Universe Exo 31:18. The earthy temple was a miniature of the heavenly Temple, where lies the Ten Commandments Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19 in heaven where His word is settled Psa119:89 as it is God's standard of Judgement James 2:11 Rev 11:18-19 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-15 why His Commandments sits under His mercy seat, which I would be leery of removing something He covers Exo 20:6. The whole Bible is about the testimony of God though the prophets and apostles, yet when it comes to God's own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:18 written personally by our Savior, sadly most refuse to believe. Its not the first day that the saints will come before Him to worship in the New Heaven and New Earth, its continues to be the Sabbath Isa 66:23 because it is the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:13 and He changes not Mal 3:6, why Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath would be kept by His faithful some 40 years after the Cross Mat 24:20. Why we see the apostles all keeping every Sabbath decades later Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 16:13 Acts 18:4 etc because His faithful follow Him and keep His commandments, His version, not the popular traditions of man. Mat 15:3-14

Regarding how to keep the Sabbath according to Scripture the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening Lev 23:32. It’s when God asks us to put away all of our secular work and activities and focus on Him on His holy day, the only day in the entire Bible He claimed as His Isa 58:13. The Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 or gathering (church) which again we see in the life of Jesus Luke 4:16 and apostles Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 Acts 15:21 and continuing on Isa 66:23. To me the Sabbath is about resting in Christ on the only day God set aside from Creation that He blessed and sanctified for holy use to spend time with His creation on the day He commanded to keep holy. Exo 20:8-11. I spend my Sabbath going to church, reading the bible, praying, singing praise songs, sharing my faith and try to help others in need. I have found since I have made a priority to put aside all of the secular activities and keep God's Sabbath He has blessed me ten-fold.

I would be happy to discuss any difficult Scripture about the Sabbath. You are free to ask any questions or PM if you like. I would recommend praying to Jesus and ask Him to help you with the Scriptures and I always pray to replace my will with His.

God bless!
 
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NT with an exception to keep the Sabbath because Jesus Christ IS our sabbath
There is no Scripture that says this. Jesus in His own words said He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28- the Creator, not the creation and not that He became one of the Ten Commandments. He gives us rest, but that rest is from sin, sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 God identified His Law in the most clear and awesome way and claimed all Ten as His Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13- I know of no one that has greater Authority than He.

There has always been more than one rest, in Scripture sadly many mistake the rest God gives us as the seventh day Sabbath rest and is in lieu of it, but that's a deception and not one found in Scripture.

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest some how relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

This clearly shows two rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also (in addition) ceased from his works as God did from His.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day, Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 just like God commanded us to Exo 20:8-11 as God said the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 and we were made in His image and likeness, so to enter His rest one also ceases from work on the seventh day Sabbath. Exo 20:10 why there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God. Heb 4:9NIV

Sadly people have re-interpreted God's Testimony as if God needs our help. Jesus told us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting OT Mat 4:4. When Jesus died on the Cross - It is Finished- He ratified His covenant at the Cross, nothing could be added or changed to His covenant. Why we see Sabbath-keeping remaining decades later by His faithful Luke 23:56 . Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23 etc
 
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There is no Scripture that says this. Jesus in His own words said He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28- the Creator, not the creation and not that He became one of the Ten Commandments. He gives us rest, but that rest is from sin, sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 God identified His Law in the most clear and awesome way and claimed all Ten as His Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13- I know of no one that has greater Authority than He.

There has always been more than one rest, in Scripture sadly many mistake the rest God gives us as the seventh day Sabbath rest and is in lieu of it, but that's a deception and not one found in Scripture.

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest some how relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

This clearly shows two rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also (in addition) ceased from his works as God did from His.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day, Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 just like God commanded us to Exo 20:8-11 as God said the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 and we were made in His image and likeness, so to enter His rest one also ceases from work on the seventh day Sabbath. Exo 20:10 why there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God. Heb 4:9NIV

Sadly people have re-interpreted God's Testimony as if God needs our help. Jesus told us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting OT Mat 4:4. When Jesus died on the Cross - It is Finished- He ratified His covenant at the Cross, nothing could be added or changed to His covenant. Why we see Sabbath-keeping remaining decades later by His faithful Luke 23:56 . Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23 ett
This is what I believe about the Sabbath:

Christ's Relationship to the Sabbath
In the Gospels, Jesus' actions and teachings often challenged the prevailing interpretations of the Sabbath. He healed on the Sabbath (Mark 3:1-6; Luke 13:10-17), emphasizing mercy over ritualistic observance. Jesus declared, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27-28). This statement highlights His authority over the Sabbath and points to a deeper understanding of its purpose.

Fulfillment in Christ

The New Testament writers, particularly in the book of Hebrews, present Christ as the fulfillment of the Sabbath rest. Hebrews 4:9-10 states, "So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His." This passage indicates that the true Sabbath rest is found in Christ, who provides spiritual rest and peace with God through His redemptive work.

Spiritual Rest in Christ

The rest that Christ offers is not merely physical cessation from labor but a profound spiritual rest. In Matthew 11:28-30 , Jesus invites, "Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." This rest is characterized by freedom from the burden of sin and the law, achieved through faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice.

Implications for Believers
For believers, Christ's fulfillment of the Sabbath means that the observance of a specific day is no longer a legalistic requirement but a spiritual reality.
The Apostle Paul addresses this in Colossians 2:16-17 , "Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ." The Sabbath, as a shadow, finds its substance in Christ, who provides eternal rest.

In summary, Christ as the fulfillment of the Sabbath signifies the transition from the Old Covenant's ritual observance to the New Covenant's spiritual rest. Through His life, death, and resurrection, Jesus embodies the true meaning of the Sabbath, offering believers rest from their labors and reconciliation with God.

Christians, believers fulfill the Sabbath by resting in Jesus. Not a work WE do, but that Jesus did for us.

Christians aren't breaking the 4th commandment by not physically resting on a Jewish Sabbath day. Jesus fulfilled it for us because we rest in Him.
 
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This is what I believe about the Sabbath:
Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate you sharing your beliefs. I will comment on a few things, but we should take all matters of God in prayer.
Christ's Relationship to the Sabbath
In the Gospels, Jesus' actions and teachings often challenged the prevailing interpretations of the Sabbath. He healed on the Sabbath (Mark 3:1-6; Luke 13:10-17), emphasizing mercy over ritualistic observance. Jesus declared, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27-28). This statement highlights His authority over the Sabbath and points to a deeper understanding of its purpose.
Jesus was correcting the Pharisees on a number of things, they accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath and not being equal to God. Breaking the Sabbath is sin, just like breaking any of the other of God's commandments 1John3:4 James 2:11 Jesus in His own words said He did not sin John 8:46 and kept all of the commandments John 15:10 as should we. Doing what is good on the Sabbath like healing sick people is not nor ever was a sin Mat 12:12. Jesus broke the sabbath of the Pharisees, where they added their man-made rules to God's Law- something we are told plainly not to Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18
Fulfillment in Christ
The New Testament writers, particularly in the book of Hebrews, present Christ as the fulfillment of the Sabbath rest. Hebrews 4:9-10 states, "So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His." This passage indicates that the true Sabbath rest is found in Christ, who provides spiritual rest and peace with God through His redemptive work.
First of all Hebrews was written decades after Christ ratified His covenant, where nothing could be added to. Second, God promised not to alter the words of His covenant Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18 and I believe He keeps His promises.

If we are to rest from our works just as God did. When did God rest from His works? The plain Scripture tells us even in this passage

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place (Mt Sinai Exo 20:1-17) of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

What is so important about the seventh day- God tells us in His own written and spoken Testimony

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Those who enter Christ spiritual rest ALSO rest form their works as God did Heb 4:10, on the seventh day Heb 4:4 also found in Exo 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3. We need both the physical rest and spiritual rest, we can't have one without the other.

There is no rest for those who sin and break God's Law why keeping God's commandments including the Sabbath is so important. Why He calls on us daily to come out of our rebellion, sin and unbelief which means the same thing if we hear His voice Heb 3:7-19

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Spiritual Rest in Christ
The rest that Christ offers is not merely physical cessation from labor but a profound spiritual rest. In Matthew 11:28-30 , Jesus invites, "Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." This rest is characterized by freedom from the burden of sin and the law, achieved through faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice.
This was addressed here

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest somehow relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30 Sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 James 2:11 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30
Implications for Believers
For believers, Christ's fulfillment of the Sabbath means that the observance of a specific day is no longer a legalistic requirement but a spiritual reality.
The Apostle Paul addresses this in Colossians 2:16-17 , "Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ." The Sabbath, as a shadow, finds its substance in Christ, who provides eternal rest.
I will address this in a separate post .
In summary, Christ as the fulfillment of the Sabbath signifies the transition from the Old Covenant's ritual observance to the New Covenant's spiritual rest. Through His life, death, and resurrection, Jesus embodies the true meaning of the Sabbath, offering believers rest from their labors and reconciliation with God.

Christians, believers fulfill the Sabbath by resting in Jesus. Not a work WE do, but that Jesus did for us.

Christians aren't breaking the 4th commandment by not physically resting on a Jewish Sabbath day. Jesus fulfilled it for us because we rest in Him.
Sadly, none of this we can find in Scripture and it goes against the Testimony of God and Jesus who is God made flesh. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:17-30 Mat 15:3-14 etc.
 
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Implications for Believers
For believers, Christ's fulfillment of the Sabbath means that the observance of a specific day is no longer a legalistic requirement but a spiritual reality.
The Apostle Paul addresses this in Colossians 2:16-17 , "Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ." The Sabbath, as a shadow, finds its substance in Christ, who provides eternal rest.
So let’s bring more context into Col 2:16-17. There are more than one sabbath in the Scripture. Paul was told to spread the gospel, not change God's commandments written by God Himself, that God promised He would not alter. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 If we look at the context closely its obvious Paul is not contradicting Jesus who is God on His holy Sabbath- God's own Testimony, that is in heaven Exo 15:5 Rev 11:19 where His word is settled Psa 119:89. God blessed, man cannot take away God's blessing or sanctification. Almost all Scripture on the Sabbath has a thus saith the Lord- God blessed, man cannot reverse Num 23:20 and Paul's writings came with a significant warning 2 Peter 3:16 so we must be very careful with his writings and compare it to other Scriptures, such a Jesus own testimony saying His Sabbath would not end at the Cross but His faithful would be keeping 40 years after Mat 24:20 and also for eternity Isa 66:23


Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So these are things that are against man. Is the Sabbath that is holy, sanctified and blessed by God against man?

Lets look at what Jesus said:

Mat 2:28 The Sabbath was made for man

The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, its not the definition of contrary and against.

Context doesn't fit. Basically with this understanding it is saying God was against man from Creation and made the Sabbath to be contrary and against right from the beginning. This is a very sad teaching and one not coming from God. God made Creation according to His perfect will and plan when the Sabbath started Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 made for man Mark 2:27

So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.

Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.

This is what Paul is quoting the law he is referring to is from

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14


But lets look at this verse closer

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day "The holy day of the Lord" as already seen in the context.

Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What was predicted would end when Jesus came?

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also annual sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation.

Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

There is so much more evidence I could provide like comparing what Jesus said which in using Col 2:14-16 against the Sabbath commandment contradicts His teachings. Hopefully this will be looked at in prayer as I know this is a popular teaching, but the context does not fit the Sabbath commandment written by the finger of God that is part of God's holy and eternal law Mat 5:18-19 Isa 66:23
 
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In the Bible, and two thousand years of Christian usage, and as used by just about all Christians except SDA's, the term "Mosaic Law" or "Law of Moses" is used to refer to the entirety of everything which God revealed to Israel through Moses, that includes the Decalogue along with the other 600+ commandments. The Law of Moses is God's Law. The 10 Commandments are part of the Mosaic Law/Law of Moses.

SDA's have a peculiar quirk about insisting that somehow the 10 Commandments are something different because God wrote them down on the two tablets of stone. And then fetishize especially the commandment concerning the Sabbath.

But as far as Christianity, in its ordinary and biblical sensibilities are concerned, doesn't really care what a 19th century sect of schismatic Millerites think.

The Decalogue constitutes 10 of the commandments which God gave Israel through Moses, and therefore are Mosaic Law; which are, indeed, God's commandments. ALL of the comments revealed through Moses by God are God's Commandments. The commandment to honor our mother and father is no more and no less a commandment from God than the commandment to ritually purify oneself after coming into contact with a dead body. Both are equally God's Commandment.

The issue isn't about God's Commandment, but a matter of Covenant. Before the giving of the Torah there was no Sabbath observance, nor were there laws pertaining to all manner of things. The Sabbath was given uniquely to the Jewish people as part of the Covenant established at Sinai through Moses.

St. Paul tells us precisely what the ritual commandments served in his letters, especially in his letter to the Colossians: They were shadows pointing to the ultimate reality of Jesus Christ. Thus those who cast judgment concerning new moons, sabbaths, and other similar things are obsessing over shadows, not the reality. What matters is Jesus, not a day of the week.

Seventh Day Adventism seeks to pervert the Gospel of Jesus Christ and pervert the Law of God. In years past I was perfectly content to accept that Seventh Day Adventism was just a quirky denomination whose members went to church on Saturday instead of Sunday. And if that were all it was, then that'd be fine. But in my time here on Christian Forums I have been witness to the most damnable attempts to destroy Christian hope and liberty. And I have not seen a group of religionists so unable to participate in free, open, independent thinking on religious matters, with the possible exception of Mormons. Every argument, every discussion is so deliberately scripted and predictable. If you have seen one thread on this subject, you've seen all of them.

To those held captive to the lies of Seventh Day Adventism, "Come out of her" (Revelation 18:4)

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It’s always hard to reason with ones opinions/their own commentary over the clear Word of God. God claimed the Ten Commandments as His commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 20:6 and the first 4 commandments is all about our relationship with God, not Moses. Exo 20:1-11. Moses didn’t even take credit for the Ten Commandments Exo 32:16 so its sad that people think they know better than the testimony of Moses who was there and the Testimony of God Exo 31:18. God said the Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11 in the Ten Commandments, (which came in a unit of Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28,) when there was just Adam and Eve Gen 1:26, no Moses. :) Why it was sin for Cain to murder Abel, because without the Law, there is no transgression (sin) Rom 4:15 so God’s commandments started way before Moses as told by the Testimony of God.

Sadly many professed believers in the days of Jesus called Him a liar and demon and crucified God’s only Son. Many got things wrong then, many will get things wrong again. Mat 7:21-23 Only Jesus knows our heart and nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14 so best to leave matters of the heart to Him.
 
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Most of our present day Christian preachers teach against the Law, Prophets and most important Jesus Himself. By making statements such as, "we don't have to keep that old law its been nailed to the cross." These preachers use the books of Paul to make that statement. If that were true, that would mean no one would be able to sin. Why? Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law

Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us.
 
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Most of our present day Christian preachers teach against the Law, Prophets and most important Jesus Himself. By making statements such as, "we don't have to keep that old law its been nailed to the cross." These preachers use the books of Paul to make that statement. If that were true, that would mean no one would be able to sin. Why? Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law

Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us.
Sadly, you’re right, what most Christian’s do today, is pick the commandments they feel they should keep. So in essence they are making themselves their own god, because Scripture tells us whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 so if we are not obeying the voice of God, there is another voice we are serving, breaking commandment number 1. Exo 20:3

I say something similar in regards to throwing the Bible out. The whole Bible is about the testimony of God through His prophets and apostles, but when it comes to God’s own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 personally written by God most people don’t believe, or lay it aside as if to say, its not meant for me, as Jesus warned Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14 or worse try to edit something God Himself wrote as if man can correct God as if He made a mistake on the one commandment that He personally blessed, made holy, sanctified and said Remember.

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14 This means all of God’s commandments, even the one He said to Remember that sadly most have chosen to forget.

In Scripture believing is doing. Unbelief is sin, rebellion and disobedience Heb 3:7-19 which never worked out for anyone before us and we are not to follow their same path of disobedience Heb 4:11- such as Eze 20:13
 
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It’s always hard to reason with ones opinions/their own commentary over the clear Word of God.

I didn’t see any discussion about private opinions, but rather about the use of the phrase “Mosaic Law” throughout the entire history of Christianity.

Soeaking of opinions, you have repeatedly denied that Scriptural verses are subject to multiple interpretations, but this is not the case, and the interpretations you are advocating are unusual to the majority of Christians, which does not make them inherently wrong, but this fact should be pointed out. It is wrong to accuse people of being disobedient or of ignoring Scripture because they disagree with the interpretation taught by your church.

I should also note that as pointed out by my friend @Xeno.of.athens the phrase “Word of God” refers primarily to Jesus Christ, as we see made clear in John 1:1-18.
 
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I didn’t see any discussion about private opinions, but rather about the use of the phrase “Mosaic Law” throughout the entire history of Christianity.

Soeaking of opinions, you have repeatedly denied that Scriptural verses are subject to multiple interpretations, but this is not the case, and the interpretations you are advocating are unusual to the majority of Christians, which does not make them inherently wrong, but this fact should be pointed out. It is wrong to accuse people of being disobedient or of ignoring Scripture because they disagree with the interpretation taught by your church.

I should also note that as pointed out by my friend @Xeno.of.athens the phrase “Word of God” refers primarily to Jesus Christ, as we see made clear in John 1:1-18.
The title of my thread is the “Law of God” not “word of God”. But since you brought it up, it’s odd you do not seem to think God’s own Testimony written and spoken by God is His word. In actuality it really means the Ten Words. But they are God’s commandments, not the commandments of Moses as they started way before Moses, thus saith the Lord Exo 20:11 and His written and spoken Testimony that I am convinced there is no greater Authority than He, not even our churches, not even men man elevates their teachings over God’s. But we are all given free will.

I will let Jesus speak of this who is God made flesh as He correlates the commandments of God (quoting from the Ten Commandments) as the word of God.


Mat 15:6 He (Jesus) answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—[d]the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother,“Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Sadly, most Christians gloss over this most important teaching of Jesus. Keeping mans traditions, over one of God’s spoken and written commandments. Jesus could not condemn this principle more. Faith is hearing and believing, which means doing. Sadly most believe His teachings and warnings were meant for other people.

I would like to stay on topic of this thread so if you have Scripture that elevates the Testimony of God, written and spoken by God, God’s covenant, placed in God’s ark of the covenant, in God’s Most Holy of His Temple, under God’s mercy seat where judgement and mercy will come together soon based on God’s standard Rev 11:18-19 James 2:11-12 Exo 20:6 as it being Moses, please share the Scriptures. While Moses was a very important person in Scripture, he was still the creation and not the Creator. Moses didn’t take credit for God’s work and he was there Exo 32:16 Exo 34:28. I am kindly asking you not to change the OP into another topic. Thanks
 
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The Law of Moses is God's Law. The 10 Commandments are part of the Mosaic Law/Law of Moses.

I didn’t see any discussion about private opinions, but rather about the use of the phrase “Mosaic Law” throughout the entire history of Christianity.
Which was incomplete in it's assessment. The distinction starts here Deut 4.. There is stated outright what God commanded to obey and what God commanded Moses to teach to do.

Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deut 4:14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

Most think that this is the Covenant that Israel was in when Christ Came. Sad thing is most of Israel was still in this Covenant though they were given a new one prior to entering into the promised land. This New Covenant is found in Deut 29:1-30:14 but almost all of Christendom including Adventist don't speak on it...sad because if they did it would clear up a lot.

For this New Covenant which is unlike the one they received in Horeb is the Lord circumcising our hearts to Love the Him that we live. For this word that He spake that day, to keep His commandments AND statutes written in the Book of the Law is in our hearts and mouths that we do it, that is the word of Faith in which we are to preach. Take note the differences between Deut. 4 and 30. In particular the absence of the word judgements in the giving of the New Covenant in Deut. 30.

Why? The answer to that is the answer to understanding Galatians and Colossians.


Deut 29:1 These [are] the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

Deut 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, [and] if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it [is] not hidden from thee, neither [is] it far off.
Deut 30:12 It [is] not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither [is] it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word [is] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
 
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Which was incomplete in it's assessment.

So you’re saying that throughout the entire history of Christianity, until now, everyone has gotten it wrong?
 
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But since you brought it up, it’s odd you do not seem to think God’s own Testimony written and spoken by God is His word

John 1:1-18 clearly says the Word of God is Jesus Christ. Additionally, the rest of Scripture can be said to be the Word*, although in the New Testament it only exclusively refers to Scripture when the word graphe is used, but at any rate, there is no distinction between those words in scripture attributed to God and those written by the Prophets, Apostles and Evangelists under divine inspiration.

*This is because it constitutes a verbal icon of Christ. The Old Testament for example was revealed at the ending of the Gospel of Luke to be Christological prophecy.

The Sabbath has prophetic meaning because it was on that day Christ the incarnate Word reposed in the tomb, which is why traditional Christians worship on that day. The real problem is the apparent belief of some that worship on Sunday in addition to Saturday somehow violates the Sabbath commandment, or that Sunday, the day of the resurrection, lacks its own important holiness.

This is why I think our mutual friend @ViaCrucis has legitimate cause for frustration, because of continuing unwarranted criticism of the traditional liturgical churches despite the fact that they do adhere to the Sabbath but according to a different interpretation than that of your denomination.

Messianic Jews also have their main worship on Saturday, but do not aggressively criticize us, and I enjoy dialogue with them on the forums.

Really, the issue is the aggressive criticism of other churches and other Christians that take different views.
 
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That’s not true. Please do not say false things about me or my beliefs.
I used the word "seem" and this statement

“Word of God” refers primarily to Jesus Christ
seems to indicate, you don't apply it to the Testimony of God. I don't think we can separate the two as shown by the teachings of Jesus..
 
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So you’re saying that throughout the entire history of Christianity, until now, everyone has gotten it wrong?
So you saying you do not actually have a rebuttal to what was shared other than to say the masses have said therefore they are right?
 
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