Under RFK Jr.'s Leadership, CDC Launches Large Wasteful Study on Vaccines and Autism

probinson · Sep 3, 2025

Say it aint so said:
Someone wearing a mask 6 feet apart and taking preventive action like closing schools is far more effective then doing nothing.

There is simply no data to support this wishful thinking. There is, however robust data that dates back nearly 20 years that says the exact opposite.

Medical or surgical masks

Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.

N95/P2 respirators

Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well-reported; discomfort was mentioned.

Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses? | Cochrane

www.cochrane.org

School closures were a complete disaster. Not only did they not "slow the spread" of the virus, they resulted in YEARS of education stolen from our youth.

Say it aint so said:
Your issue, if I understand you, is your angst against over protective measures.

Your issue, if I understand you, is that you've been falsely led to believe that the measures are in any way "protective".

Say it aint so said:
Better safe than sorry as the dead are stacked up like cord wood.

No. Absolutely not. When most objective people walk into a store and there is a 2x2 piece of plexiglass between them and the cashier, they realize how ridiculous that is. When these foolish, evidence-poor things are mandated by the government, they lose the trust of the people they ostensibly "protect". Gruber and Krause warned that boosters without evidence would result in lower uptake of all vaccines when they resigned. And here we are.

Say it aint so said:
This isn't really worthy of discussion.

Oh, but it is. You severely underestimate just how much damage the foolish, evidence-poor era of COVID has done to trust in public health.

Say it aint so · Sep 4, 2025

probinson said:
There is simply no data to support this wishful thinking. There is, however robust data that dates back nearly 20 years that says the exact opposite.

Medical or surgical masks

Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.

N95/P2 respirators

Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well-reported; discomfort was mentioned.

Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses? | Cochrane

www.cochrane.org

School closures were a complete disaster. Not only did they not "slow the spread" of the virus, they resulted in YEARS of education stolen from our youth.

Your issue, if I understand you, is that you've been falsely led to believe that the measures are in any way "protective".

No. Absolutely not. When most objective people walk into a store and there is a 2x2 piece of plexiglass between them and the cashier, they realize how ridiculous that is. When these foolish, evidence-poor things are mandated by the government, they lose the trust of the people they ostensibly "protect". Gruber and Krause warned that boosters without evidence would result in lower uptake of all vaccines when they resigned. And here we are.

Oh, but it is. You severely underestimate just how much damage the foolish, evidence-poor era of COVID has done to trust in public health.

Don't half do it. Wearing masks, hand hygiene, and social distancing. A study over just medical or surgical masks just won't do :

Impact of Wearing Masks, Hand Hygiene, and Social Distancing on Influenza, Enterovirus, and All-Cause Pneumonia During the Coronavirus Pandemic: Retrospective National Epidemiological Surveillance Study

Using this national epidemiological database, we found a significant decrease in cases of influenza, enterovirus, and all-cause pneumonia during the COVID-19 pandemic. Wearing masks, hand hygiene, and social distancing may contribute not only to the prevention of COVID-19 but also to the decline of other respiratory infectious diseases. Further studies are warranted to elucidate the causal relationship.

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis

Findings

Our search identified 172 observational studies across 16 countries and six continents, with no randomised controlled trials and 44 relevant comparative studies in health-care and non-health-care settings (n=25 697 patients). Transmission of viruses was lower with physical distancing of 1 m or more, compared with a distance of less than 1 m (n=10 736, pooled adjusted odds ratio [aOR] 0·18, 95% CI 0·09 to 0·38; risk difference [RD] −10·2%, 95% CI −11·5 to −7·5; moderate certainty); protection was increased as distance was lengthened (change in relative risk [RR] 2·02 per m; pinteraction=0·041; moderate certainty). Face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection (n=2647; aOR 0·15, 95% CI 0·07 to 0·34, RD −14·3%, −15·9 to −10·7; low certainty), with stronger associations with N95 or similar respirators compared with disposable surgical masks or similar (eg, reusable 12–16-layer cotton masks; pinteraction=0·090; posterior probability >95%, low certainty). Eye protection also was associated with less infection (n=3713; aOR 0·22, 95% CI 0·12 to 0·39, RD −10·6%, 95% CI −12·5 to −7·7; low certainty). Unadjusted studies and subgroup and sensitivity analyses showed similar findings.

Interpretation

The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed by these findings and contextual factors. Robust randomised trials are needed to better inform the evidence for these interventions, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence might inform interim guidance.

Again, the idea of you think this is comparable to what I am saying about RFKjr is kind of downright bizarre

essentialsaltes · Sep 7, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
RFK Jr. Promises to Reveal the ‘Cause’ of Autism Next Month

Tylenol

U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce that use of Kenvue's popular over-the-counter pain medication Tylenol in pregnant women is potentially linked to autism, contrary to medical guidelines that say it is safe to use, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter.

In December 2023, a U.S. federal judge struck a blow to hundreds of lawsuits claiming Tylenol can cause autism if mothers take it during pregnancy, barring expert witnesses from testifying after finding they lacked scientific evidence for their claims.

A 2024 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association involving 2.4 million children born in Sweden found no evidence to support a causal link.

Kennedy, in the report, will also suggest a medicine derived from folate called folinic acid can be used to treat symptoms of autism in some people, the WSJ reported.

Desk trauma · Sep 7, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Tylenol

U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce that use of Kenvue's popular over-the-counter pain medication Tylenol in pregnant women is potentially linked to autism, contrary to medical guidelines that say it is safe to use, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter.

In December 2023, a U.S. federal judge struck a blow to hundreds of lawsuits claiming Tylenol can cause autism if mothers take it during pregnancy, barring expert witnesses from testifying after finding they lacked scientific evidence for their claims.

A 2024 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association involving 2.4 million children born in Sweden found no evidence to support a causal link.

Kennedy, in the report, will also suggest a medicine derived from folate called folinic acid can be used to treat symptoms of autism in some people, the WSJ reported.

Sigh.

comana · Sep 7, 2025

I’m sure blaming pregnant women won’t have any affect on the declining birth rate.

essentialsaltes · Saturday at 1:09 PM

Trump administration to award a no-bid contract on research into vaccines and autism

RPI is not known in the field as having any special access to data on this kind of question and “wouldn’t be the obvious choice,” Halladay said.

[Not to mention the fact that it's a waste to spend money on such a study at all.]

Tyler52 · Saturday at 8:21 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Newsweek

The announcement has raised questions, given the extensive scientific research that has consistently found no link between vaccines and autism. Yet, despite overwhelming evidence debunking the claim, skepticism persists, fueled in part by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

ABC News with HHS confirmation

CDC to study vaccines and autism, despite several studies already finding no link
HHS spokesman Andrew Nixon confirmed the effort in a statement overnight, saying the agency plans to leave "no stone unturned."

"As President Trump said in his Joint Address to Congress, the rate of autism in American children has skyrocketed. CDC will leave no stone unturned in its mission to figure out what exactly is happening,” the statement said. “The American people expect high quality research and transparency and that is what CDC is delivering."

Part of science requires that we continuously reconsider our preconceived beliefs. Why should the government not continuously look into the safety and effectiveness of vaccines until virtually everyone thinks knows the truth? Why wouldn’t you want the government to prove you right if you’re right? And why wouldn’t you want them to prove you wrong if you’re wrong? If you’re wrong, then vaccines are causing autism, and we can stop this, but if you’re right then the government can help you and your side by reconfirming your bias. It doesn’t mean they’re being honest, but if they go against big pharma, it’s probably true.

essentialsaltes · Saturday at 9:45 PM

Tyler52 said:
by reconfirming your bias.

Accepting expert opinion on a settled issue is not holding a bias.

Tyler52 · Sunday at 7:26 AM

essentialsaltes said:
Accepting expert opinion on a settled issue is not holding a bias.

There are doctors who don’t believe in vaccines. Furthermore, more experts looking into this hurts no one. Science does not respect experts, only God, why not consider that you could be wrong? Are you an expert?

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 9:06 AM

Tyler52 said:
There are doctors who don’t believe in vaccines.

That is neither here nor there.

Tyler52 said:
Science does not respect experts, only God

You are mistaken about the nature of science.

Tyler52 · Sunday at 11:13 AM

essentialsaltes said:
That is neither here nor there.

Who are the experts then and is there any disagreement among them and do you know that there isn’t?

essentialsaltes said:
You are mistaken about the nature of science.

What is the nature of science?

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 11:23 AM

Tyler52 said:
Who are the experts then

AI Overview

Overwhelming epidemiological evidence has proven that there is no link between vaccines and autism. Epidemiologists and other public health scientists have conducted extensive, large-scale studies in multiple countries for decades, consistently refuting any causal association between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, vaccine ingredients like thimerosal, or the vaccine schedule, and the development of autism.

In the case of the recent no-bid grant, the recipient is a professor of biotech engineering, who does not appear to be approaching the problem from an epidemiological standpoint.

Tyler52 said:
What is the nature of science?

Among other things, a field of study grounded in empirical evidence, not 'God'.

Tyler52 · Sunday at 12:19 PM

essentialsaltes said:
AI Overview

Overwhelming epidemiological evidence has proven that there is no link between vaccines and autism. Epidemiologists and other public health scientists have conducted extensive, large-scale studies in multiple countries for decades, consistently refuting any causal association between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, vaccine ingredients like thimerosal, or the vaccine schedule, and the development of autism.

essentialsaltes said:
In the case of the recent no-bid grant, the recipient is a professor of biotech engineering, who does not appear to be approaching the problem from an epidemiological standpoint.

Is this 100% universal among all people who could be considered experts through out the history of this research?

essentialsaltes said:
Among other things, a field of study grounded in empirical evidence, not 'God'.

Are you a Christian? Science is a philosophy attempting to gain understanding of the world through empirical evidence correct? If God tells something to float up into the air though, can gravity resist?

Hans Blaster · Sunday at 12:20 PM

Tyler52 said:
There are doctors who don’t believe in vaccines.

that would be a very silly thing for them to do. Vaccines do actually exist.

Tyler52 said:
Furthermore, more experts looking into this hurts no one.

They aren't experts on diseases. This "no-bid contract" is for some engineers using "AI" to do something not quite clear. "AI" methods have their usage, but no one has demonstrated why it would be useful or trustworthy here.

Tyler52 said:
Science does not respect experts, only God, why not consider that you could be wrong?

I consider my wrongness all the time, but you are wrong (very much so) in the first two statements. Science has experts that it respects, but it trusts only data. To science God is irrelevant.

Tyler52 said:
Are you an expert?

Yes, but not on disease.

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 12:41 PM

Tyler52 said:
Are you a Christian?

No.

Tyler52 said:
Science is a philosophy attempting to gain understanding of the world through empirical evidence correct?

Correct.

Tyler52 said:
If God tells something to float up into the air though, can gravity resist?

Show me the empirical evidence of something floating up into the air.

Tyler52 · Sunday at 12:42 PM

essentialsaltes said:
No.

Why are you posting these posts are Christian forums if you are not a Christian, why not go to Reddit? Are you proselytizing?

essentialsaltes said:
Correct.

Show me the empirical evidence of something floating up into the air.

It was a hypothetical example

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 12:47 PM

Tyler52 said:
Why are you posting these posts are Christian forums if you are not a Christian

I have the liberty to do so.

Tyler52 · Sunday at 12:47 PM

Hans Blaster said:
that would be a very silly thing for them to do. Vaccines do actually exist.

You know what I meant.

Hans Blaster said:
They aren't experts on diseases. This "no-bid contract" is for some engineers using "AI" to do something not quite clear. "AI" methods have their usage, but no one has demonstrated why it would be useful or trustworthy here.

I consider my wrongness all the time, but you are wrong (very much so) in the first two statements. Science has experts that it respects, but it trusts only data. To science God is irrelevant.

Yes, but not on disease.

Would Isaac Newton and Galileo agree that God is irrelevant? Or have atheist and agnostic minded scientist simply chose to disregard him. Are you a Christian? And should not these experts go back over and over again to test and retest to reassure the people before they look at them and say I don’t believe you? Which is increasingly happening. Why wouldn’t you want to show the people that you are right over and over again. Are you against the studies in general, or just this one?

Hans Blaster · Sunday at 1:06 PM

Tyler52 said:
You know what I meant.

Not if you don't write more clearly.

Tyler52 said:
Would Isaac Newton and Galileo agree that God is irrelevant?

To physics? It would seem so. They did not mention god in their scientific writings.

Tyler52 said:
Or have atheist and agnostic minded scientist simply chose to disregard him.

Science doesn't include supernatural effects. It is literally part of the definition of what science is -- the study of the natural world.

Tyler52 said:
Are you a Christian?

No, of course not.

Tyler52 said:
And should not these experts go back over and over again to test and retest to reassure the people before they look at them and say I don’t believe you?

They should and do.

Tyler52 said:
Which is increasingly happening.

For a very long time. That's how we know what doesn't cause autism -- vaccines.

Tyler52 said:
Why wouldn’t you want to show the people that you are right over and over again.

It gets boring. There are other things to study, other aspects of the problem to examine.

Tyler52 said:
Are you against the studies in general, or just this one?

There is no clear value in this study and I don't trust Robert Kennedy in the slightest, so I suspect a pre-rigged test.

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 1:10 PM

Tyler52 said:
And should not these experts go back over and over again to test and retest

Researchers have the academic freedom to follow their own research programs, however this particular question is not the kind of cutting-edge research that requires federal government support, much less personal intervention from the Secretary of HHS.

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