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Christians - May I have your attention for a moment?

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ralliann said:
The problem is , Who is the "we". There is you, and there is the government over you. As long as the government does not decide other wise...
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there we have laws and the ability to enforce those laws if they that are put as representatives goes against it. I think it is also what country it is as in Sweden we have not had too much trouble. But I held to the first of course. If they start to misuse they should be dismissed. Sweden are very humanitarian we took in plenty in ww2. And a reason we still do.
 
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ralliann said:
ah ok so you are 70% total government control.
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no totally not. I mean it is only how the laws and regulations are, we do not have as many private owned companies as Uk for example where everything is private. for example the rail way in uk turned catastrophe, now they are talking of more stability and balance by a part being state controlled. it is on those lines
 
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In sweden everything works. we have good bike roads everywhere, we have free right to roam in nature, free almost child care, free hospitals, good public services, good social services and benefit system, good treatment of ill people and help, very little criminality(those we hear of only happened recently) it is partly because we have laws and regulations how to share everything and where it goes. as well the state owned a certain percentage makes it more stable. it is definitely not like we see in so called negative countries.
 
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Godcrazy said:
In sweden everything works. we have good bike roads everywhere, we have free right to roam in nature,
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In America we expect these things as human rights
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free almost child care, free hospitals, good public services, good social services and benefit system, good treatment of ill people and help, very little criminality
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We also here had decent health care in our history. Also criminality was dealt with . Until peole in government decided these things were purposely corroded.
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(those we hear of only happened recently) it is partly because we have laws and regulations how to share everything and where it goes.
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Government shares the money they have controlled. A distinct entity of people as well. It is good at least for now they choose to do this...
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as well the state owned a certain percentage makes it more stable. it is definitely not like we see in so called negative countries.
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Until the wealth runs out, then what? All it really is, is an exchange of wealth from one group of people to another.... one group produced and built the wealth, while the other does not produce it.
 
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ralliann said:
In America we expect these things as human rights

We also here had decent health care in our history. Also criminality was dealt with . Until peole in government decided these things were purposely corroded.

Government shares the money they have controlled. A distinct entity of people as well. It is good at least for now they choose to do this...

Until the wealth runs out, then what? All it really is, is an exchange of wealth from one group of people to another.... one group produced and built the wealth, while the other does not produce it.
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Actually, most of it is done through high tax that then is split fairly with a large extent for the social services. We do not have that many rich, everyone pay high tax. together.
 
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Godcrazy said:
Actually, most of it is done through high tax that then is split fairly with a large extent for the social services. We do not have that many rich, everyone pay high tax. together.
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Yes I know high taxes ( the peoples money) have to be involved. As for the rich, they don't want to live under that. So naturally they leave and or do not do business there. It is nothing that has not been done before...
 
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Yes I know high taxes ( the peoples money) have to be involved. As for the rich, they don't want to live under that. So naturally they leave and or do not do business there. It is nothing that has not been done before...
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as long as taxation remains it circulates
 
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Mmmmm... I just shifted to another house today and looking at the conversation it seems to have taken a direction away from the matter raised in the OP...

Have I provoked fruitful discussion or should we return to the topic ?
 
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