Trump Angry at Smithsonian, for Depicting Slavery as Bad

The Barbarian · Sunday at 8:23 AM

A New Dawn said:
I don’t know why acknowledging the good things that occurred in that whole mess is so hard for some people.

For example, Hitler was actually a pretty good industrial designer, according to Albert Speer. He laid out the basic specs for the Volkswagen, for example. Richard Nixon's foreign policy was often brilliant.

And Sen Tom Cotton says that slavery was a "necessary evil"

A New Dawn said:
Thanks for winning the Godwin award.

I don't know why acknowledging the good things about those guys is so hard for you. I mean, you were complaining that no one appreciated the good things about slavery. You just proved my point.

A New Dawn · Sunday at 2:52 PM

The Barbarian said:
For example, Hitler was actually a pretty good industrial designer, according to Albert Speer. He laid out the basic specs for the Volkswagen, for example. Richard Nixon's foreign policy was often brilliant.

And Sen Tom Cotton says that slavery was a "necessary evil"

I don't know why acknowledging the good things about those guys is so hard for you. I mean, you were complaining that no one appreciated the good things about slavery. You just proved my point.

Since I didn’t say that, you are wasting your breath.

The Barbarian · Sunday at 3:05 PM

A New Dawn said:
Since I didn’t say that, you are wasting your breath.

Well, let's take a look. We were talking about Trump and Cotton upset that people were saying slavery was entirely bad. You replied:

A New Dawn said:
I don’t know why acknowledging the good things that occurred in that whole mess is so hard for some people.

A New Dawn · Sunday at 3:11 PM

The Barbarian said:
Well, let's take a look. We were talking about Trump and Cotton upset that people were saying slavery was entirely bad. You replied:

And I explained the good things men did in response to the horror of slavery several times. If you can’t remember what I wrote go back and reread it and stop attributing lies to me.

The Barbarian · Sunday at 3:26 PM

A New Dawn said:
And I explained the good things men did in response to the horror of slavery several times.

That's not the same thing as saying that there were good things about slavery, as Trump and Cotton did.

A New Dawn said:
If you can’t remember what I wrote go back and reread it and stop attributing lies to me.

I'm not saying you're lying. If you agree that they are wrong to say that there were good things about slavery, then we're on the same page.

Landon Caeli · Wednesday at 8:30 AM

Gregory Thompson said:
Well, he is apparently affiliated with the KKK so this is not a surprise.

Is Dinald Trump the de facto Grand Dragon of the KKK?

The Barbarian · Wednesday at 8:33 AM

Landon Caeli said:
Is Dinald Trump the de facto Grand Dragon of the KKK?

The KKK held a parade to celebrate his election. That doesn't make him Grand Dragon. It merely means that the KKK supports Trump and is ideas.

A New Dawn · Wednesday at 9:51 AM

The Barbarian said:
The KKK held a parade to celebrate his election. That doesn't make him Grand Dragon. It merely means that the KKK supports Trump and is ideas.

There was a KKK order that supported Hillary Clinton, too, when she ran. So it literally means nothing if the KKK supports you.

The Barbarian · Wednesday at 10:33 AM

A New Dawn said:
There was a KKK order that supported Hillary Clinton, too, when she ran.

It was a publicity stunt. The real story...

Will Quigg, a grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan's California chapter, told the Telegraph Monday that he would be switching his support from Donald Trump to Clinton.

(Quigg had endorsed Trump on Twitter in September)

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan-grand-dragon-will-quigg-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president

Quigg was persuaded that in California, he could help Trump best by endorsing Clinton. He justified his support by claiming that Hillary was opposed to gun control and opposed immigration.

"She’s telling everybody what they want to hear so she can get elected, because she’s Bill Clinton’s wife, she’s close to the Bushes. Once she’s in the presidency, she’s going to come out and her true colors are going to show. Border policies are going to be put in place. Our second amendment rights that she’s saying she’s against now, she’s not against. She’s just our choice for the presidency."

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan-grand-dragon-will-quigg-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president

The KKK parade celebrating Trump's win was because they felt they finally had a sympathizer in the WH.

ralliann · Wednesday at 10:44 AM

A New Dawn said:
No, Trump is upset because the Smithsonian is not portraying it justly. That the slaves didn’t free themselves and an ungodly number of (heaven forbid) mostly white men ended it IS part of that history that is not being portrayed. The Smithsonian doesn’t need to portray that slavery is bad, we all know that, but it refuses to portray the good things that men did to end it. THAT is the problem.

If slavery is reduced to America, then it is about hatred for America. Americans were not the first, nor were they the last to enslave people. Slavery is historical to many people. Even Africans themselves. China has slaves today, and Cartels sell people for various slave markets and are filthy rich.

The Barbarian · Wednesday at 10:51 AM

ralliann said:
If slavery is reduced to America, then it is about hatred for America. Americans were not the first, nor were they the last to enslave people. Slavery is historical to many people. Even Africans themselves. China has slaves today, and Cartels sell people for various slave markets and are filthy rich.

American slavery wasn't uniquely evil. But it was evil. Human trafficking and theft of labor is an unalloyed evil. It's to America's credit that we put an end to it here other than convicts. But it's still a blot on our history, and we should make sure that our children know about it. Ignoring evil is the best way to serve it.

ralliann · Wednesday at 10:56 AM

The Barbarian said:
American slavery wasn't uniquely evil. But it was evil. Human trafficking and theft of labor is an unalloyed evil. It's to America's credit that we put an end to it here other than convicts. But it's still a blot on our history, and we should make sure that our children know about it. Ignoring evil is the best way to serve it.

It is a blot in human history for sure. To take that out and focus on one people, one race is also used for ill purposes. First of which is a disregard for slavery itself, but an end to another purpose altogether. To assign a nature to a race, a political system, etc to being the evil. When all races of humanity share equal capacity.

The Barbarian · Wednesday at 12:07 PM

ralliann said:
It is a blot in human history for sure. To take that out and focus on one people, one race is also used for ill purposes. First of which is a disregard for slavery itself, but an end to another purpose altogether.

I don't remember any history text saying that a particular race is the only source of slavery. Whites happened to be the people who instituted slavery in this nation, but the great majority of abolitionists were also white.

ralliann said:
To assign a nature to a race, a political system, etc to being the evil.

Marxism, National Socialism, "Christian" Nationalism (the last not being Christian at all). All of these are intrinsically evil. Other than white supremacists and Nation of Islam (which is like Christian nationalism not representative of a religion) I don't remember anyone saying a particular race was intrinsically evil.

ralliann said:
When all races of humanity share equal capacity.

But some ideologies are just evil. White supremacy, for example. KKK, Marxists and Nazis. Those guys.

No race is intrinsically evil, because there are no biological human races. The idea of "genetic identity" for different races is a fairy tale pushed by white supremacists and early creationists.

ralliann · Wednesday at 1:00 PM

The Barbarian said:
I don't remember any history text saying that a particular race is the only source of slavery. Whites happened to be the people who instituted slavery in this nation, but the great majority of abolitionists were also white.

Marxism, National Socialism, "Christian" Nationalism (the last not being Christian at all). All of these are intrinsically evil. Other than white supremacists and Nation of Islam (which is like Christian nationalism not representative of a religion) I don't remember anyone saying a particular race was intrinsically evil.

But some ideologies are just evil. White supremacy, for example. KKK, Marxists and Nazis. Those guys.

No race is intrinsically evil, because there are no biological human races. The idea of "genetic identity" for different races is a fairy tale pushed by white supremacists and early creationists.

A quote from the link in the OP
Begin quote
“You cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery to just one race, which is pretty much what every single exhibit does,” Michaels said, adding: “Every single thing is like, ‘Oh, no, no, no, this is all because White people bad,’ and that’s just not the truth.”
End quote'

ralliann · Wednesday at 1:37 PM

A New Dawn said:
I see the old lie machine is alive and well.

Trump, as well as most people in America, just want things portrayed accurately. Nobody has the desire to portray slavery as anything but despicable, but there was good during that time. For instance the north fought against institutionalizing slavery like the south did, long before the civil war. And speaking of the civil war, let’s not forget that upwards of 620,000 men fought and died to free the slaves. 620,000. That is more US soldiers than who died in the 1st world war and the second combined, as well as most of the rest of the wars we’ve been involved in. If nobody can recognize the good things that happened, or even remember that men DIED to free the slaves, then the people hating on Trump for this issue have no redeemable qualities.

It is not going to matter I am afraid......Well said anyway.

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