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I anticipate Trump pulling ANY aid for Ukraine when Zelenskyy inevitably rejects Trump's farcical 'deal'.
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There is a fair probability that something positive might also develop:
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If the USA was invaded, I would expect us to fight and win our own wars, rather than depend on the rest of the world to help us defeat Russia.
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Zelenskyy returns to White House flanked by European allies as Trump pressures land deal with Putin
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with President Donald Trump at the White House on Monday, alongside several European allies. Trump has urged Zelenskyy to accept a land swap deal with Russia after meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday.
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Zelenskyy returns to White House flanked by European allies as Trump pressures land deal with Putin
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with President Donald Trump at the White House on Monday, alongside several European allies. Trump has urged Zelenskyy to accept a land swap deal with Russia after meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday.
Did you have a point to make?
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You mean the "off Mic" remark by Trump. Did Fox have a different "off Mic" to report?
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Trump moves to broker Putin-Zelenskyy meeting following DC peace talks
President Trump announces plans for trilateral meeting with Putin and Zelenskyy after the pair meet one-on-one following Monday's peace talks with Europeans from the White House.
Looks like the talks with Zelenskyy went well and now we're going to have a trilateral meeting with Trump, Zelenskyy and Putin.
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The Putin-Trump deal on the table
IT SEEM CLEAR THAT
Ukraine would be expected to accept giving up the provinces where Russia invaded and has held elections. Much of these territories are now held by Russia.
Russia would be expected to accept the sovereignty of Ukraine and security measures guaranteed by the US and by European countries
Russia would gain veto power over who can join NATO, now excluding Ukraine (Moldova would be next).
THESE WILL BE STICKING POINTS
Ukraine does not want to give up land that Russia has not yet been able to capture, including 3 important fortified cities.
Russia probably won't accept European troops or bases in Ukraine and would try to reduce the strength of its military
Russia probably won't accept Ukranian rights to import modern missiles.
THERE WON'T BE A FINAL TREATY
any more than there is one in Korea, Cypress and a half dozen more
FOR ME, ONE IMPORTANT STEP
is for European countries to get more sophisticated weapons to Ukraine before Trump changes his mind.
IT SEEM CLEAR THAT
Ukraine would be expected to accept giving up the provinces where Russia invaded and has held elections. Much of these territories are now held by Russia.
Russia would be expected to accept the sovereignty of Ukraine and security measures guaranteed by the US and by European countries
Russia would gain veto power over who can join NATO, now excluding Ukraine (Moldova would be next).
THESE WILL BE STICKING POINTS
Ukraine does not want to give up land that Russia has not yet been able to capture, including 3 important fortified cities.
Russia probably won't accept European troops or bases in Ukraine and would try to reduce the strength of its military
Russia probably won't accept Ukranian rights to import modern missiles.
THERE WON'T BE A FINAL TREATY
any more than there is one in Korea, Cypress and a half dozen more
FOR ME, ONE IMPORTANT STEP
is for European countries to get more sophisticated weapons to Ukraine before Trump changes his mind.
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White House Is Preparing for Trump-Putin-Zelensky Trilateral Meeting in Budapest: REPORT | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran
Peace may break out in Budapest.
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It appears that Budapest, Hungary has been chosen as the meeting site for the trilateral peace talks.
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Shades of the Louis restaurant?White House Is Preparing for Trump-Putin-Zelensky Trilateral Meeting in Budapest: REPORT | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran
Peace may break out in Budapest.
It appears that Budapest, Hungary has been chosen as the meeting site for the trilateral peace talks.
(The Godfather, 1972)
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I know the place. Quiet, the locals mind their own business.
Donnie, order the goulash. I'll leave a gun for you taped behind the tank of the toilet. Ask permission to go to the toilet..
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Good news! This is important:
The “most important” outcome of the meeting was the “U.S. commitment to work with us on providing security guarantees,” French President Emmanuel Macron told reporters.
But unless Putin has a 'road to Damascus' moment - it's all just silly political posturing. IF Putin even turns up! As the article continues...Earlier, Trump said during talks with Zelenskyy and the European leaders that a potential ceasefire and who gets Ukrainian territory seized by Russia should be hashed out during a face-to-face meeting between the warring countries’ two leaders. “We’re going to let the president go over and talk to the president and we’ll see how that works out,” Trump said.
Trump hasn't got it through his head that some things are not negotiable - let alone fair.Land concessions should NOT be part of the conversation!
Europe can see it. Trump can't.
The developments come amid a significant measure of trepidation on the continent that Trump is pressing Ukraine to make concessions that will only further embolden Putin after the U.S. leader hosted the Russian president for an Alaska summit last week.
Putin is going to demand a victory - as he has to safe face back home to justify this war.
Zelensky is OF COURSE going to refuse.
Then Trump can walk out - "I tried" and play the victim to Zelenskyy actually demanding that the right thing happen.
I'm swinging back to this all being a ploy for Trump to pull funds to the whole thing.
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Here is just my take on Russia and Ukraine for what little it might be worth.
There is no diplomatic solution currently unless either Ukraine or Russia decide to just give in. The two sides seem to be not even close at the moment. Even if Ukraine were to cede land, Russia really is not offering to allow meaningful security guarantees. Yes, there was talk, but really it was not serious. Trump generally does overstate his influence and progress but the reality to me seems that he has created a weakened Ukraine. This has occurred in part because the USA has waffled in their support. I think a diplomatic solution will only occur if the West stands more united and firm against Russia. More pressure on oil and trade, not less. More weapons, more aid, more ability given to Ukraine to fight into the interior. This could be done in a stealthy way, with little fanfare. Alternatively, Ukraine allies could really go hardline and pull out all the stops in communicating their intentions, yet still not enter the war directly unless Putin decided to go that route first.
It would be helpful though if Trump was more aligned with the EU and allowed them to participate more. Most of the EU is timid and afraid of Trump. I guess slapping big tariffs on can be scary. We should remember that only after everyone was onboard did S. Aftrica's apartheid really start to fall through because of the serious economic sanctions and isolation.
My thinking is that if Putin really thought that the USA and the EU would stand behind Ukraine for years to come, that he would negotiate. Prolonged fighting is why Russia finally left Afghanistan. I will admit that Trump does extremely well in many simpler negotiations. But larger ones are not as simple as a real estate deal. Larger nations are also not as easy to gain concessions from. So we have seen Trump very successful in helping stop war in smaller nations. (Thailand and Cambodia) Trump's methods too can help prevent escalation out of the gate in larger nations (India and Pakistan). However, the limits can and should be seen in long lasting, mired down problems such as Russia and Ukraine. I hope I am wrong but he overplays his poker hand sometimes because it is not a single hand with those entrenched problems but a game that will persist for quite some time. For instance, deals for trade in agriculture have lingered since the 1950s. Those aspirations were often sidelined to even begin to negotiate trade deals in other areas.
Lastly, I will say what probably many have thought. That it would seriously help if Trump were to get the Nobel Peace Prize. asap. I think he is obsessed with it in a good way. He wants to be a peacemaker. Still, it would make him more restful if that was a past achievement rather than an aspiration.
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Even my more conservative Aussie mates agree with this sentiment from Aussie investigative reporter Michael Pascoe.
He then unpacks how most democratic leaders are wincing and looking away - and are not yet truly able to admit what has just happened. China is already leaping into the gap provided by America’s withdrawal from the global marketplace. But America’s arrogance will do what tariffs always do - drive down the quality of their goods while driving up the price - and reduce their ‘soft power’ around the world. The biggest cost? We will see what America truly is:-
He shows how America bribing Greenland and threatening Canada have fundamentally changed what America is. That we need to back out of AUKUS - yet as Australia goes into election mode - we’re not even discussing it. The world is still in denial. For now.
And as the NYT said:-
Or as French politician and former member of the European Parliament - Mr Claude Malhuret said:
“Alas, while Trump is abhorrent, he is not an aberration. His administration is the fulfilment of conservative America’s drift further and further right into populist nationalism and isolationism. It is not coming back.
Conservative America, the one controlling the United States, is a different country. The clichés that have embroidered the chaining of our wagon to the US – “shared values”, “cultural affinities”, “the international rules-based order” – no longer apply. They are lies.
When it comes to liberal/democratic values and attitudes towards international cooperation, multidecade World Values Survey research shows this America is more closely aligned with Putin’s Russia and Erdoğan’s Türkiye than with “the West”. The values held by various European conservative parties – in Germany, France, Italy and the United Kingdom – are closer to the Australian left than they are to the American right. The Chinese have more liberal values than America’s ruling Republicans.”
He then unpacks how most democratic leaders are wincing and looking away - and are not yet truly able to admit what has just happened. China is already leaping into the gap provided by America’s withdrawal from the global marketplace. But America’s arrogance will do what tariffs always do - drive down the quality of their goods while driving up the price - and reduce their ‘soft power’ around the world. The biggest cost? We will see what America truly is:-
"Thus America doesn’t want friends – friends are needy. The best lesser nations can hope for is to have their abeyance accepted. The emperor might pat them on the head. Trump is not an aberration"
He shows how America bribing Greenland and threatening Canada have fundamentally changed what America is. That we need to back out of AUKUS - yet as Australia goes into election mode - we’re not even discussing it. The world is still in denial. For now.
And as the NYT said:-
“President Trump does not seem to notice or care that if you betray people, or jerk them around, they will revile you. Over the last few weeks, the Europeans have gone from shock to bewilderment to revulsion. ...
This is not just a Trump problem; America’s whole reputation is shot. I don’t care if Abraham Lincoln himself walked into the White House in 2029, no foreign leader can responsibly trust a nation that is perpetually four years away from electing another authoritarian nihilist...NATO is over ... The West is (temporarily) over ...”
Or as French politician and former member of the European Parliament - Mr Claude Malhuret said:
Washington has become the court of Nero, a fiery emperor, submissive courtiers and a ketamine-fueled jester in charge of purging the civil service.
This is a tragedy for the free world, but it is first and foremost a tragedy for the United States. Trump’s message is that there is no point in being his ally since he will not defend you, he will impose more customs duties on you than on his enemies and will threaten to seize your territories while supporting the dictatorships that invade you.
The king of the deal is showing what the art of the deal is all about. He thinks he will intimidate China by lying down before Putin, but Xi Jinping, faced with such a shipwreck, is probably accelerating preparations for the invasion of Taiwan.
Never in history has a President of the United States capitulated to the enemy. Never has anyone supported an aggressor against an ally. Never has anyone trampled on the American Constitution, issued so many illegal decrees, dismissed judges who could have prevented him from doing so, dismissed the military general staff in one fell swoop, weakened all checks and balances, and taken control of social media.
This is not an illiberal drift, it is the beginning of the confiscation of democracy. Let us remember that it took only one month, three weeks and two days to bring down the Weimar Republic and its Constitution.”
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I mean - can we give Trump a Nobel Peace prize if nations are burying old hatchets to unite around combating him? 
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
It's happening as we speak!
www.bbc.com
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
It's happening as we speak!
China and India pledge to be 'partners not rivals' at security summit
Xi Jinping and Narendra Modi met on the sidelines of a summit that Russia's Vladimir Putin is also attending.
www.bbc.com
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They REALLY have no idea!
Trump appointed Witkof - another real estate tycoon - as his chief peace negotiator between Russia and Ukraine.
WHAT does Witkof know about any of this? What experience in international law, negotiation, diplomacy? Anyone? Bueller, Bueller?
Nothing!
He cannot even be bothered to remember the names of the 5 provinces under Russian occupation!
THEN Witkof goes into a meeting with Putin without a translator!
THEN he comes out and informs the President that they have a 'deal' that Putin would hand back 2 of the 4 provinces.
(Oh - right - so we ARE in the business of rewarding dictators! Yup, thought that was the Trump regimes modus operandi. Abandon international law, reward dictators. Got it!)
EXCEPT - major "Doh!" Putin NEVER SAID anything of the sort!
This is like some kind of misunderstanding out of "Mean girls", or even junior high stuff. Wow - just wow!
Trump appointed Witkof - another real estate tycoon - as his chief peace negotiator between Russia and Ukraine.
WHAT does Witkof know about any of this? What experience in international law, negotiation, diplomacy? Anyone? Bueller, Bueller?
Nothing!
He cannot even be bothered to remember the names of the 5 provinces under Russian occupation!
THEN Witkof goes into a meeting with Putin without a translator!
THEN he comes out and informs the President that they have a 'deal' that Putin would hand back 2 of the 4 provinces.
(Oh - right - so we ARE in the business of rewarding dictators! Yup, thought that was the Trump regimes modus operandi. Abandon international law, reward dictators. Got it!)
EXCEPT - major "Doh!" Putin NEVER SAID anything of the sort!
This is like some kind of misunderstanding out of "Mean girls", or even junior high stuff. Wow - just wow!
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