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Trump ‘was never inappropriate with anybody,’ Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell told DOJ

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I don't think I am well informed on her.

Was she friends with Epstein?
Yes, but I don't think she was ever given a fair chance. Everyone seemed to hate her, before her trial. I doubt she was treated fairly.

...To this day, she claims that she had no involvement with grooming minors. I kind of believe her for some reason.
 
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Yes, but I don't think she was ever given a fair chance. Everyone seemed to hate her, before her trial. I doubt she was treated fairly.
Ahhh, I need to read up more on her. I find it difficult to trust any associates of Epstein.

My opinion only.
 
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Yes, but I don't think she was ever given a fair chance. Everyone seemed to hate her, before her trial. I doubt she was treated fairly.

...To this day, she claims that she had no involvement with grooming minors. I kind of believe her for some reason.
No one ever was saying like that before it looked like this issue could turn against Trump.

A jury found her quite guilty. Doesnt matter how "the discussion" regarded her.
 
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No one ever was saying like that before it looked like this issue could turn against Trump.

A jury found her quite guilty. Doesnt matter how "the discussion" regarded her.

I know nobody ever showed any sign of fairness toward the possibility of Ghislaine Maxwell's innocence. Nobody ever has!

...That's the problem! She was treated like a witch in Salem.
 
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I know nobody ever showed any sign of fairness toward the possibility of Ghislaine Maxwell's innocence. Nobody ever has!

...That's the problem! She was treated like a witch in Salem.

They had grand jury indictments and voir dire and a right to legal counsel at Salem in 1691?
 
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They had grand jury indictments and voir dire and a right to legal counsel at Salem in 1691?
The magistrates and juries did benefit from divine guidance tho. So it was all good.
 
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I kind of believe her for some reason.
Gee, but it's nice to have a reason, you know? I don't think that we'd like it if the judge in the case was to say 'Hey, I'm going to let you go. Because I kind of believe you for some reason'.

I'm sure that you'd agree that it would be an idiotic thing for him to say.
 
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Gee, but it's nice to have a reason, you know? I don't think that we'd like it if the judge in the case was to say 'Hey, I'm going to let you go. Because I kind of believe you for some reason'.

I'm sure that you'd agree that it would be an idiotic thing for him to say.

Has anyone taken her testimony seriously at
all? Or did the jury simply call her a liar and choose to believe the plaintiffs testimony instead?

It would sure be a bummer if in every court case, the plaintiffs testimony held more weight than the defendant, in a situation without evidence, as the gold standard. In fact, if there were a gold standard, it would have to be the other way around for a justice system that touts "innocent until proven guilty".
 
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I doubt anyone even recalls what kind of evidence *proves* Ms. Maxwell guilty... Aside from the heinous feelings people tend to have for anyone associated with Epstein.

...Was the jury fully capable of being unbiased? I would say no.
 
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Has anyone taken her testimony seriously at
all?
Her prior statements garnered her perjury charges. She did not testify at her own criminal trial.
Or did the jury simply call her a liar and choose to believe the plaintiffs testimony instead?
The jury did not hear her testimony as she took her right to not testify in her own defense. The declared her "guilty".
It would sure be a bummer if in every court case, the plaintiffs testimony held more weight than the defendant, in a situation without evidence, as the gold standard. In fact, if there were a gold standard, it would have to be the other way around for a justice system that touts "innocent until proven guilty".
The plaintiff was "The United States of America" and she was proven guilty.
 
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Her prior statements garnered her perjury charges. She did not testify at her own criminal trial.

The jury did not hear her testimony as she took her right to not testify in her own defense. The declared her "guilty".

The plaintiff was "The United States of America" and she was proven guilty.
Interesting. I thought there was testimony by some of the alleged victims. And that the victims testimonies became the evidence, with no physical evidence, aside from Maxwell being at certain places that the victims said she was at a particular time.

...That's not really satisfactory. Lots of room for error in making a judgement on that alone.
 
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Has anyone taken her testimony seriously at
all? Or did the jury simply call her a liar and choose to believe the plaintiffs testimony instead?
She had a defence team put forward her case. Evidence for both sides was produced and given all due attention by the court. Due process was followed. She was then found guilty by a jury of her peers. If you have anything you think wasn't presented that should have been, if you have any new evidence or you know an aspect of the case that you think was biased then I suggest that you find out who her council actually was and inform them asap. Other than 'I think she's innocent for some reason'.

Let us know if they decide to appeal.
 
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Interesting. I thought there was testimony by some of the alleged victims. And that the victims testimonies became the evidence, with no physical evidence, aside from Maxwell being at certain places that the victims said she was at a particular time.

...That's not really satisfactory. Lots of room for error in making a judgement on that alone.
The case docket is available at:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17318376/united-states-v-maxwell/

The first item (#1) is the indictment. Click blue button to download PDF version.

There is a lot of stuff in there, but I couldn't find the trial exhibit or witness lists.
 
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Ah, another day, another round of supporting and defending people convicted of crimes related to sec abuse as really “not all that bad.” How nice.
 
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Ah, another day, another round of supporting and defending people convicted of crimes related to sec abuse as really “not all that bad.” How nice.

Not as bad as "crossing an artificial line".
 
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