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That Which is Born of the Spirit

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God can't be tempted by evil (James 1:13), and neither can His offspring (1 John 5:15)..
Your 1 John citing has nothing to do with your summation.
All men get tempted.
Even Jesus was tempted.
That is one way we can tell the difference between the new man and the old man. So, if you and your fellow "sinlessly perfect" friends are being tempted by evil, then you all now have a way to rightly distinguish between the flesh (that is drawn away from God to sin) and the spirit (which isn't).
Was Jesus, who was tempted by evil, walking in the "flesh" or in the Spirit ?
Your conclusion is not based on reality, or scripture.
The way to distinguish between those walking in and after the "flesh", or Spirit, is to see how they react to temptation.
Only those walking in and after the "flesh" will commit sin.
Those walking in and after the Spirit will resist the devil, and he will flee from them. (James 4:7)
That may be the only thing I can offer to help you.
Help to do what ?
 
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No sir only one Spirit in respect to righteousness.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
OK, I can see that in one way since those who are "joined to the Lord" are "one spirit with Him" (1 Cor 6:17). But we know people have spirits because of verses like these:
  • "by my spirit within me I will seek You early" (Is 26:9),
  • "For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?" (1 Co 2:11),
  • "may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Th 5:23).
    "piercing even to the division of soul and spirit" (Heb 4:12), and
  • "to the spirits of just men made perfect" (Heb 12:23).
And, importantly, we know that a spirit which is alive to God is born when God gives birth to it:
  • "that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (Jn 3:6).
 
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Your 1 John citing has nothing to do with your summation.
All men get tempted.
Even Jesus was tempted.

Was Jesus, who was tempted by evil, walking in the "flesh" or in the Spirit ?
I am operating from the viewpoint that "temptation" is when someone "is drawn away by his own desires and enticed" (Jas 1:14). This cannot be said of God, therefore He "cannot be tempted by evil" (Jas 1:13). The devil can try to tempt Him, as He did with Jesus, but Jesus was not "enticed". Similarly, the new man, "which is created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24) cannot be enticed by evil (i.e., he "can not sin", "does not sin", and "the wicked one does not touch him" (1 Jn 3:9, 5:18)).
Your conclusion is not based on reality, or scripture.
The irony of this statement literally made me chuckle. Concerning denying reality against Scripture, I'm sure you have read 1 John 1:8.
The way to distinguish between those walking in and after the "flesh", or Spirit, is to see how they react to temptation.
Only those walking in and after the "flesh" will commit sin.
Those walking in and after the Spirit will resist the devil, and he will flee from them. (James 4:7)

Help to do what ?
I have reduced my efforts down to trying to help you understand why you are suffering temptation.
 
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Amen to that !

When I was water baptized into Christ, (for the remission of past sins), I was actually crucified and buried with Christ. (Rom 6:3-5, Gal 5:24, Col 2:12
I was then raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4, Col 2:12)
The wages of sin is death, (Rom 6:23(, and I was awarded that wage at my death in Christ.

Some can't believe that at their death with Christ, and their rebirth from God's seed, all of Adam's influence died too. (2 Cor 5:17)
Water baptism has no magical properties. Baptism is an act of obedience and a statement of belief to testify to the world that you have been born again by Jesus.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

It is clear that belief is what saves, and that baptism is part of your walk of sanctification.

Baptism for the remission of sins is supposed to be a symbolic ritual for the forgiving of sins, but it is not what is taught throughout the NT. John the Baptist baptized his followers for the remission of sins to prepare the way for the One who was coming after him. It is based on Old Testament cleansing rituals so it is entwined with the old covenant. When Jesus started his ministry, and the New Covenant was introduced, baptism changed from the old covenant meaning to the New Covenant response to Jesus making us new, himself. HE cleanses us, not the baptism. The baptism is a response to our salvation, not what saves us.
 
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Won't true contrition for sin produce a life without sin ?
Won't humility to God produce obedience to God ?
The answer is "Yes" to both questions.
Salvation IS the reward for our love for God and neighbor.

Stop right there.
My comments are about converted people.
That conversion can change, as actual salvation won't be assigned until the day of judgement/day of judgement.

I see no inconsistency here.
God cannot be tempted, but we can.
We are not God, just His children.
Jesus was tempted !
"Only reflecting the attributes of Father" only applies to the fruit brought forth, as 1 John 3:9 makes clear.
Attributes and characteristics are two different things.

As His offspring have crucified their past lusts, with the affections and flesh, (Gal 5:24); temptations/enticements have no power.
So you are correct.

What is the opposite of "legal" ?
Illegal !
Is that what you want to be ? Illegal ?
BTW, the only real legalists are those who want us to go back under the Mosaic Law.
Complete with circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping, sabbath keeping, etc.

Folks can claim they are converted all their lives, but salvation will only be granted at our resurrection; either to eternal life or eternal damnation.
Everyday is a battle to remain on the narrow path, and there are many adversaries.
Heed the Lord's, and the apostle's exhortations and admonissions, and live forever.
"Drop your guard", and experience the lake of fire.
Our final judgement will be on how we lived: not on some self-repeated sayings.
And I only know , where only one time that the word CONVERTED is used , Luke. 22:32 , speaking of Peter .

CONVERTED // EPISTREPHO , is in the AORIST TENSE , in the ACTIVE VOICE , MEANS THAT IT IS Christ interring , is a

PARICIPLE TENSE , IN THE Nominative Case , in. the Singular , means it will happen ONLY one time
and does not mean that they. are CHRISTIAN // CHRISTIANOS. , just means , a Follower. .

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Water baptism has no magical properties. Baptism is an act of obedience and a statement of belief to testify to the world that you have been born again by Jesus.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

It is clear that belief is what saves, and that baptism is part of your walk of sanctification.

Baptism for the remission of sins is supposed to be a symbolic ritual for the forgiving of sins, but it is not what is taught throughout the NT. John the Baptist baptized his followers for the remission of sins to prepare the way for the One who was coming after him. It is based on Old Testament cleansing rituals so it is entwined with the old covenant. When Jesus started his ministry, and the New Covenant was introduced, baptism changed from the old covenant meaning to the New Covenant response to Jesus making us new, himself. HE cleanses us, not the baptism. The baptism is a response to our salvation, not what saves us.
And all better see that it does NOT say WATER // HYDOR IN MARK 16:16. !!

Unless you ADD HYDOR to it. !!

dan p
 
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And all better see that it does NOT say WATER // HYDOR IN MARK 16:16. !!

Unless you ADD HYDOR to it. !!

dan p
Why do you need to add hydor? When the disciples said, after the resurrection, that they were going fishing, they did so in water, but the word hydor isn't used. When John is called "the Baptist," he is called that because he baptised people. How? In water. Yet the word "hydor" isn't used every time his name is mentioned. The disciples to whom Jesus spoke the words of Mark 16:16 were familiar with John's baptism in water. Why would they need Jesus to use a word for water? They clearly understood Him to have meant baptism in water, for that is what they did. For example, on the occasion when Philip baptised the Ethiopian, we read:

“36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is]water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” 38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. 39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.” (Ac 8:36-39 NKJV)
 
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And all better see that it does NOT say WATER // HYDOR IN MARK 16:16. !!

Unless you ADD HYDOR to it. !!

dan p
Baptism as a symbolic statement of faith is water baptism to both represent our spiritual baptism that we have already been partakers of in regeneration and a picture of Christ’s burial (being lowered into a watery grave) and resurrection (being brought up as a new creature in God).
 
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