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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat

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US military strikes alleged drug boat, Trump says

President Donald Trump announced on his social media platform Tuesday that he ordered U.S. military forces to conduct a strike against an alleged drug boat that he claimed was connected to a South American gang.

The president said the "kinetic strike against positively identified Tren de Aragua Narcoterrorists in the SOUTHCOM area of responsibility."

The attack took place while the boat was "at sea in International waters transporting illegal narcotics, heading to the United States," according to Trump.

Trump also posted a video of the strike on his social media platform.

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The U.S. military killed 11 people on Tuesday in a strike on a vessel from Venezuela allegedly carrying illegal narcotics, President Donald Trump said, in the first known operation since his administration's recent deployment of warships to the southern Caribbean.

The decision to blow up a suspected drug vessel passing through the Caribbean, instead of seizing the vessel and apprehending its crew, is highly unusual and evokes memories of the U.S. fight against militant groups like al Qaeda.

Speaking to reporters, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said: "These particular drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or some other country in the Caribbean."
 
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The US military has not previously directly attacked drug operations. However, the military has provided intelligence support to Latin American militaries:

"In the 1990s, the U.S. military assisted Colombian and Peruvian antidrug law enforcement activities by sharing information about civilian flights suspected of carrying drugs — like radar data and communications intercepts. But after those governments started shooting down such planes, the Clinton administration in 1994 halted the assistance for months.
The Office of Legal Counsel produced an opinion saying that military officers who provided such information while knowing it would be used to summarily shoot down those aircraft could be putting themselves at risk of later prosecution. Congress eventually modified U.S. law to permit such assistance.

And the Navy has long participated in intercepting vessels in international waters that are suspected of smuggling drugs toward the United States. But naval ships typically do so as a law enforcement operation, working under the command of a U.S. Coast Guard officer. Under an 1878 law called the Posse Comitatus Act, it is generally illegal to use the military to perform law enforcement functions."



....and such operations can lead to misidentifcation and inocent civilians dying:

"On 20 April 2001, the Peruvian Air Force (FAP) shot down a civilian floatplane, killing American Christian missionary Veronica "Roni" Bowers and her infant daughter Charity.[1]

While flying into the Loreto Region of Peru, Bowers, her daughter Charity, husband Jim, and six-year-old son Cory were being followed by a United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) observation plane. The Peruvian Air Force was operating as part of the Air Bridge Denial Program. The CIA did not attempt to identify the tail number of the church-owned plane per procedure."


 
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What a coinky-dink!


A federal appeals court late Tuesday blocked President Trump's use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelans the administration says are gang members, likely setting up a legal clash at the U.S. Supreme Court.

The panel did grant the Trump administration one legal victory, finding the procedures it uses to advise detainees under the Alien Enemies Act of their legal rights is appropriate.

The ruling can be appealed to the full 5th Circuit or directly to the U.S. Supreme Court, which is likely to make the ultimate decision on the issue.

So, now that we've bombed a boatload of civilians, can we properly say we're at war with them? How about if they strike back?
 
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So, now that we've bombed a boatload of civilians, can we properly say we're at war with them? How about if they strike back?
Definitely a concern. Obviously, if someone (Houthis) had the temerity to attack a civilian US ship, the US would respond by dropping bombs on their leaders.

Venezuela doesn't have the wherewithal to do that, but we'll see what Maduro does. It's probably good PR for him to stand up to Trump, but it would likely be a poor choice to take on the US Navy.
 
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I suspect it's an easy intel problem to identify drug smugglers to within 90 percent of certainty. There may even be imagery of some of them within US waters...most boats even of the same class have unique features.

We can't tell from the information released whether the Navy ordered the ship to stop.
 
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I wonder if the deaths of the 11 on board felt similar to how someone feels when they die on fentanyl. I'd imagine both types of death are quite sudden, so very similar indeed.
 
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We can't tell from the information released whether the Navy ordered the ship to stop.
It doesn't seem likely.

U.S. could have stopped boat allegedly trafficking drugs from Venezuela but Trump chose to blow it up, Rubio says

The strike Tuesday on the vessel in the Caribbean, which U.S. officials said killed 11 people, was intended to send a message, Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters. “Instead of interdicting it, on the president’s orders, we blew it up,” he said. “And it’ll happen again.”

The administration has not provided a legal authority or justification for the attack Tuesday that killed 11 people.

U.S. forces could have stopped the boat that officials say was carrying illegal drugs from Venezuela to the United States on Tuesday, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, but President Donald Trump chose instead to destroy it, killing 11 people on board, to send a deterrent message to traffickers.
 
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Ooh, this is going to be a new trend. I think the US is wanting to do it again!

It's like the game Whack-A-Mole, but much bigger in scope. :D
 
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It doesn't seem likely.

U.S. could have stopped boat allegedly trafficking drugs from Venezuela but Trump chose to blow it up, Rubio says

The strike Tuesday on the vessel in the Caribbean, which U.S. officials said killed 11 people, was intended to send a message, Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters. “Instead of interdicting it, on the president’s orders, we blew it up,” he said. “And it’ll happen again.”

The administration has not provided a legal authority or justification for the attack Tuesday that killed 11 people.

U.S. forces could have stopped the boat that officials say was carrying illegal drugs from Venezuela to the United States on Tuesday, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, but President Donald Trump chose instead to destroy it, killing 11 people on board, to send a deterrent message to traffickers.

If the US had stopped the boat and it didn't have any evidence of drugs then it would have been an embarrassment. By destroying the boat and killing all on board, we removed any doubt that they were illegal drug smugglers.
 
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Legal Issues Raised by a Lethal U.S. Military Attack in the Caribbean

Although the facts are still emerging, the Trump administration’s extraordinary lethal attack on this purported smuggling vessel – and its vow that the strike was a start of a campaign – raise a number of significant potential legal issues. And even apart from these legal concerns, the strike constitutes a deeply troubling gratuitous use of the military that resulted in the unnecessary killing of 11 individuals.

Public reporting on the past interpretation of the assassination ban indicates that the U.S. executive branch has recognized two potentially relevant exceptions to the prohibition in recent decades: (1) actions taken in self-defense; and (2) use of lethal force consistent with the law of war.

With respect to self-defense, the Trump administration has indicated that it is countering the flow of drugs to the United States. But drug trafficking by itself does not constitute an “armed attack,” nor a threat of an imminent armed attack, for the purposes in international law. Nor does drug trafficking represent the predicate for self-defense commonly recognized as required for the invocation of self-defense under criminal law in the United States.

civilians directly participating in hostilities may also be made the object of attack. Smuggling drugs by itself does not render a civilian a combatant/fighter subject to status-based targeting. Nor does it constitute direct participation in hostilities. [with respect to the law of war]

Experts Say Trump Administration’s Deadly Boat Attack Amounts to Extrajudicial Killings

Experts say the administration’s deadly strike violated international law.

“Labeling someone a terrorist and deploying the military does not make them a military target,” Vincent Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said in a statement to Truthout. “These actions amount to an extra-judicial killing, a violation of international law, which should raise extraordinary concerns.”

“Using military forces to kill alleged drug traffickers is an act of murder, not war,” Wells Dixon, a senior attorney with the Center for Constitutional Rights, told Truthout in a statement following the attack on Tuesday.

Civil rights attorney Alec Karakatsanis called the killings “extra-judicial assassinations — a preemptive death penalty with no process — for vague alleged nonviolent drug distribution offenses.”
 
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Probably just some poor unfortunate fishermen.
Or migrants. per NYT

The former official also said it was unusual to have 11 people manning a vessel that could easily be crewed by two or three, especially since traffickers are always trying to maximize the amount of cargo space devoted to carrying drugs, not human beings.

In the former official’s opinion, it was more likely that the vessel was carrying migrants on a human smuggling run. It would be impossible to know for sure, however, given that any evidence of drug smuggling was destroyed in the attack.
 
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Or migrants. per NYT

The former official also said it was unusual to have 11 people manning a vessel that could easily be crewed by two or three, especially since traffickers are always trying to maximize the amount of cargo space devoted to carrying drugs, not human beings.

In the former official’s opinion, it was more likely that the vessel was carrying migrants on a human smuggling run. It would be impossible to know for sure, however, given that any evidence of drug smuggling was destroyed in the attack.
Well that’s certainly one way to stop the flow of migrants coming over.

I remember when past administrations tried to hide the fact they had targeted and killed noncombatant civilians. This one brags and boasts about it to their following.
 
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Or migrants. per NYT

The former official also said it was unusual to have 11 people manning a vessel that could easily be crewed by two or three, especially since traffickers are always trying to maximize the amount of cargo space devoted to carrying drugs, not human beings.

In the former official’s opinion, it was more likely that the vessel was carrying migrants on a human smuggling run. It would be impossible to know for sure, however, given that any evidence of drug smuggling was destroyed in the attack.
If anything, they were doing both.

It wouldn't be lucrative enough for coyotes to sail a boat all the way from Venezuela to the US (or any intermediate destination with US as the ultimate destination) with just 11 passengers. They'd have people hanging by their fingertips from the scuppers.

The fact is, the US has gotten pretty loose about attacking various folk since the 1980s.
 
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Legal Issues Raised by a Lethal U.S. Military Attack in the Caribbean

Although the facts are still emerging, the Trump administration’s extraordinary lethal attack on this purported smuggling vessel – and its vow that the strike was a start of a campaign – raise a number of significant potential legal issues. And even apart from these legal concerns, the strike constitutes a deeply troubling gratuitous use of the military that resulted in the unnecessary killing of 11 individuals.

Public reporting on the past interpretation of the assassination ban indicates that the U.S. executive branch has recognized two potentially relevant exceptions to the prohibition in recent decades: (1) actions taken in self-defense; and (2) use of lethal force consistent with the law of war.

With respect to self-defense, the Trump administration has indicated that it is countering the flow of drugs to the United States. But drug trafficking by itself does not constitute an “armed attack,” nor a threat of an imminent armed attack, for the purposes in international law. Nor does drug trafficking represent the predicate for self-defense commonly recognized as required for the invocation of self-defense under criminal law in the United States.

civilians directly participating in hostilities may also be made the object of attack. Smuggling drugs by itself does not render a civilian a combatant/fighter subject to status-based targeting. Nor does it constitute direct participation in hostilities. [with respect to the law of war]

Experts Say Trump Administration’s Deadly Boat Attack Amounts to Extrajudicial Killings

Experts say the administration’s deadly strike violated international law.

“Labeling someone a terrorist and deploying the military does not make them a military target,” Vincent Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said in a statement to Truthout. “These actions amount to an extra-judicial killing, a violation of international law, which should raise extraordinary concerns.”

“Using military forces to kill alleged drug traffickers is an act of murder, not war,” Wells Dixon, a senior attorney with the Center for Constitutional Rights, told Truthout in a statement following the attack on Tuesday.

Civil rights attorney Alec Karakatsanis called the killings “extra-judicial assassinations — a preemptive death penalty with no process — for vague alleged nonviolent drug distribution offenses.”

There is no legal basis for this action...but legality is hardly a concern with this President....nor many of his supporters.
 
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The fact is, the US has gotten pretty loose about attacking various folk since the 1980s.

More so since the "War on Terror" following 9-11.
However, executing suspected drug traffickers is new territory (and has no Congressonal approval).
 
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