I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

Aseyesee said:

whether you want to believe the devil is literal

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It is an adverse spirit, not the persons (everyone) inhabited by it

Not every thought is your own

BelieveItOarKnot said:

It is an adverse spirit, not the persons (everyone) inhabited by it

Not every thought is your own

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I was in a meeting one time (I was in my mid 20’s) with people who had mistaken me for a prophet, who were eager to hear what God was telling me … as we sat fellowshipping over the word I heard in my mind a thought go by me and could tell it was not aimed at me … after a little while and the meeting having ended, I asked this woman sitting across from me if she had a thought about not being able to have a child … she was astonished that I would know that … I simply replied it went by me to get to you, because that is what it felt like … the snare that is laid in vain in the sight of any bird is a thought … the thoughts that are earthly, sensual, devilish … this is what angels/children represent to me ... from one place ...

I had a dream three years after I accepted Jesus Christ as my personnel Lord and Savior that I awoke from sweating, huddled in the corner of my bed. In the dream I found myself in a small washed out gray cell in the corner of a bed in the twilight … the door had a small window in it, with three iron bars, from this window stared a beast whose face brought an uncontrolled horror over me … I could feel it’s hatred like a stifling presence pressing upon the room. The Lord said to me ... That was what was in you …

Aseyesee said:

I am referencing God before the Word was sent forth … and where you are, if you be “in Christ” …

My statement/question is not about who ascends or who descends, it is about the one who is in the midst … to the left or right of the cross lies a thief … this leads to a casting down of the truth in us, and it brings about a process in our soul that leads us into a wilderness, wherein is a bloodless altar … like wine that moves itself in the cup … the serpent lies in the sea … this in the light of the sons (no gender implied) that we are … the narrative that begins, and is, the Word sent forth, like bread cast upon the waters …

The Word (Christ) was crucified from the foundation of the world …

God is not justification, God’s justification is himself; in the form of a seed/son which was the name Jesus declared in a relational/literal way … (in picture form referencing the garden scenario) an because he could swear by no greater, he swore by himself … which has more to do with us then we are willing to forsake to enter into …

The Word/words, is/are, infinite (to the fullest extent of what that word means); it is the chosen path; it is what calls light out of darkness … as it is the process of a seed … all in the light of picking up a cross …

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Now you are changing the words. You imply that God needs to justify Himself.

How do you define justice? To render that which is due. God is due all power, honor and glory. To suggest otherwise is to be in league with demons Since God is due all, He is justice itself. We do not ask how does God justify Himself. To say that He needs to do so implies that He is then not God, and there is this vague concept of justice which is above God. That is false, and the error of the pagans with their polytheism each of their gods needed to justify himself

Justification is a different word though it sounds similar. Justification is a process whereby unjust are made just. This is what God does for us not we Him

Mary immaculate knew this and is why she proclaimed her Magnificat. My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my savior.
She who knew no sin, does not elevate herself above God. She knew as a creature, even with no sin, needed a savior. She has perfect humility

Aseyesee said:

What is the justification God provides himself to measure the end result of his actions …

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Above is what I first wrote, and that you first responded to ...

boughtwithaprice said:

Now you are changing the words. You imply that God needs to justify Himself.

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The way I used the word defines it's meaning ...

"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Your justification is your words ...

Without God there would have been no sin ... or anything else (outside of himself) for that matter ...

honey badger said:

the free gift of life ...

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" I know that his commandment is life everlasting ..."

Aseyesee said:

" I know that his commandment is life everlasting ..."

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Man shall LIVE by every Word of God, emph. -every

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Man shall LIVE by every Word of God, emph. -every

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How many words does it take, to describe one Word ...

Aseyesee said:

Above is what I first wrote, and that you first responded to ...



The way I used the word defines it's meaning ...

"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Your justification is your words ...

Without God there would have been no sin ... or anything else (outside of himself) for that matter ...

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Now you are saying that God is that author of sin. You are way off in your thinking, so much so that you do not even realize it. There is no point to continue in your logic. You are not using godly reasoning, rather vain speculation
Only a demon would say that there is no sin unless there is God

boughtwithaprice said:

Now you are saying that God is that author of sin. You are way off in your thinking, so much so that you do not even realize it. There is no point to continue in your logic. You are not using godly reasoning, rather vain speculation
Only a demon would say that there is no sin unless there is God

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To the pure all things are pure; you see an adversary, what I see is the purpose God purposed in himself ... as the path he chose ...

Aseyesee said:

" I know that his commandment is life everlasting ..."

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i am in no doubt you do my friend

Aseyesee said:

How many words does it take, to describe one Word ...

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How many are in the Bible? God makes it simple, man purposely confuses it for self-interest

timothyu said:

How many are in the Bible? God makes it simple, man purposely confuses it for self-interest

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I would say single ... and man, man makes merchandise of everything ... this was the temptation of Adam, as it was for Christ ... to gain what all along was yours ...

In the end, it's all abut who your Father is ( whose seed you are), and the process by thought to this end ...

Everything starts out as a seed (in a garden) in the ground of humanity's soul ... the city of the great King ... the Bride of God ...

Aseyesee said:

How many words does it take, to describe one Word ...

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Picking at an extra every? Beneath you

Don't you think it odd that people read those scriptures, that man will live by every Word and come to an exact opposite conclusion for the majority?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Picking at an extra every? Beneath you

Don't you think it odd that people read those scriptures, that man will live by every Word and come to an exact opposite conclusion for the majority?

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Maybe it’s better stated as … How many words does it take to describe the word God …

More often than not, what we go into scripture looking for is what we find … which applies to a great many other things ... people will kill you for what they think the truth is ...

It (scripture) can be a bottomless pit … or an ascending/increase that has no end …

Aseyesee said:

Maybe it’s better stated as … How many words does it take to describe the word God …

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The world cannot contain..

Aseyesee said:

More often than not, what we go into scripture looking for is what we find … which applies to a great many other things

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Most often reflections of our own thoughts and intentions always either good or bad or both

Aseyesee said:

... people will kill you for what they think the truth is ...

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God does as well. See Herod and the angel who struck him or anias and Sophia etc etc. All of us die because of sin, Romans 8:10

Aseyesee said:

It (scripture) can be a bottomless pit … or an ascending/increase that has no end …

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It's both nevertheless God remains Beyond all things and Beyond even the collective of all things

No words can describe

BelieveItOarKnot said:

God does as well.

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The only difference is God is the truth ...

BelieveItOarKnot said:

No words can describe

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Not when seen through traditional human thinking. Self finds it hard to understand give, not take

Aseyesee said:

To the pure all things are pure; you see an adversary, what I see is the purpose God purposed in himself ... as the path he chose ...

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You need to choose your words. When you say, “without God, there would have been no sin”, you make God the author of sin. You may believe that is not what you say, but wording it that way does not communicate your thoughts clearly.

First, since God is existence itself, “I am who am”, the fact that we are here makes it absurd that we only sin because of God

If there is no God, there is no existence, and if nothing exists then neither does sin exist, but we do exist, so the thought is absurd

The human mind does not like absurdity, although we can contemplate it. A person that lacks understanding hears your words and wrongly reasons that all he has to do is believe God does not exist and his sin disappears

That is not true, but Scripture warns us that there are those that love not the truth, so we need to choose our words carefully, else we solidify another in his error. Scripture gives us clear warning.

In Ezekiel 3

18 If, when I say to the wicked, Thou shalt surely die: thou declare it not to him, nor speak to him, that he may be converted from his wicked way, and live: the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at thy hand. 19 But if thou give warning to the wicked, and he be not converted from his wickedness, and from his evil way: he indeed shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul. 20 Moreover if the just man shall turn away from his justice, and shall commit iniquity: I will lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die, because thou hast not given him warning: he shall die in his sin, and his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: but I will require his blood at thy hand.

21 But if thou warn the just man, that the just may not sin, and he doth not sin: living he shall live, because thou hast warned him, and thou hast delivered thy soul.




Being pure does not give us license to have the wicked contemplate the non-existence of God.
That is a misinterpretation of the verse to the pure all things are pure. The meaning is to the material things of the world, not to acts or thoughts of sin which are pure to no one

Aseyesee said:

I was in a meeting one time (I was in my mid 20’s) with people who had mistaken me for a prophet, who were eager to hear what God was telling me … as we sat fellowshipping over the word I heard in my mind a thought go by me and could tell it was not aimed at me … after a little while and the meeting having ended, I asked this woman sitting across from me if she had a thought about not being able to have a child … she was astonished that I would know that … I simply replied it went by me to get to you, because that is what it felt like … the snare that is laid in vain in the sight of any bird is a thought … the thoughts that are earthly, sensual, devilish … this is what angels/children represent to me ... from one place ...

I had a dream three years after I accepted Jesus Christ as my personnel Lord and Savior that I awoke from sweating, huddled in the corner of my bed. In the dream I found myself in a small washed out gray cell in the corner of a bed in the twilight … the door had a small window in it, with three iron bars, from this window stared a beast whose face brought an uncontrolled horror over me … I could feel it’s hatred like a stifling presence pressing upon the room. The Lord said to me ... That was what was in you …

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...the thoughts that are earthly, sensual, devilish … this is what angels/children represent to me ... from one place ...

Blessed is he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

timothyu said:

Not when seen through traditional human thinking. Self finds it hard to understand give, not take

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Well, I know you're fond of blaming "self" before you'd actually bring the tempter, the deceiver into the pictures, that's for sure. You work in the mental health field?

Revelation 12:9

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

There are no exemptions given to the above