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I find it perplexing that so many people relate the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses when the Law itself has nothing to do with Moses, but has everything to do with our relationship with God. God’s name (not Moses) is in each one of these commandments and He takes ownership of them not just in the words itself, but He did not leave His holy and eternal Law to be written by man, God divinely wrote them Himself, not just once but twice. He wrote them in stone for its eternal nature and then He writes His laws in our heart 2Cor3:3 Heb 8:10 The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat 5:19-30

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about whose Law is the Ten Commandments and Moses the creation and servant of God, is not God the Creator of everything Exo 20:11. Moses own testimony said the Ten Commandments is God’s work not his, so why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 29:1
These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.


The Ten Commandments is what sits under God’s mercy seat Exo 25:21. What He wrote and what He spoke, the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 as it is revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19. This is God’s authority that no one can change a jot or tittle, as it is what all man will be Judged by James 2:11 Rev 22:15. We have a righteous and loving God, He would not judge us without telling us how He will judge us and He did so in the most awesome way.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God. Jesus addressed this who is God made flesh and wrote the Ten Commandments…

Mar 7:7 AND IN VAIN THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.'

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God (meaning not for me) , you hold the tradition of men

I believe we are living in the last days before Jesus comes in the clouds. Are there any commandments of God we are laying aside and instead following popular traditions? Breaking God’s law is sin 1 John 3:4 We have time to change our ways today, but we do not know what tomorrow brings.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 
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I find it perplexing that so many people relate the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses when the Law itself has nothing to do with Moses, but has everything to do with our relationship with God. God’s name (not Moses) is in each one of these commandments and He takes ownership of them not just in the words itself, but He did not leave His holy and eternal Law to be written by man, God divinely wrote them Himself, not just once but twice. He wrote them in stone for its eternal nature and then He writes His laws in our heart 2Cor3:3 Heb 8:10 The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat 5:19-30

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about whose Law is the Ten Commandments and Moses the creation and servant of God, is not God the Creator of everything Exo 20:11. Moses own testimony said the Ten Commandments is God’s work not his, so why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 29:1
These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.


The Ten Commandments is what sits under God’s mercy seat Exo 25:21. What He wrote and what He spoke, the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 as it is revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19. This is God’s authority that no one can change a jot or tittle, as it is what all man will be Judged by James 2:11 Rev 22:15. We have a righteous and loving God, He would not judge us without telling us how He will judge us and He did so in the most awesome way.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God. Jesus addressed this who is God made flesh and wrote the Ten Commandments…

Mar 7:7 AND IN VAIN THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.'

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God (meaning not for me) , you hold the tradition of men

I believe we are living in the last days before Jesus comes in the clouds. Are there any commandments of God we are laying aside and instead following popular traditions? Breaking God’s law is sin 1 John 3:4 We have time to change our ways today, but we do not know what tomorrow brings.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Scripture repeatedly contrasts the " Law of Moses " with the " New Covenant " and names it so....

Luke 24:44
Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”

Acts 13:39
"and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."

Acts 15:5
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

Nothing to fret about, they are simply called the Laws of Moses because he was the prophet through whom God revealed the laws to the Israelites. Therefore, Moses served as the mediator for God's commandments. Unless of course, this point of contention is aiming at a different focus.

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Scripture repeatedly contrasts the " Law of Moses " with the " New Covenant " and names it so....

Luke 24:44
Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”

Acts 13:39
"and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."

Acts 15:5
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

Nothing to fret about, they are simply called the Laws of Moses because he was the prophet through whom God revealed the laws to the Israelites. Therefore, Moses served as the mediator for God's commandments. Unless of course, this point of contention is aiming at a different focus.

Blessings
The law of Moses of course includes the Ten Commandments, because all of God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 but as shown by Scripture posted in the OP, it is a separate set of laws.

2Ki 21:8 and I will not make the feet of Israel wander anymore from the land which I gave their fathers—only if they are careful to do according to all that I (God)have commanded them, and (in addition) according to all the law that My servant Moses commanded them."

Deu 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.

Dan 9:11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.


Are we following the same path of disobedience of those who came before us Heb 4:11

Psa 119: 126 It is time for You to act, O LORD, For they have regarded Your law as void.
 
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None of these verses are referring to the Ten Commandments, the Law of God.
The Ten Commandments are considered a core component of the broader Law of Moses. But I understand some think otherwise and can not be convinced of this. But one should ask themselves, why divide the law? As written, we read in Exodus 21 immediately after Moses delivers the words of the Lord written in stone, more words from the Lord are given to Moses adding more laws, " the Law of the Altar ". One can not say these are not from God. Scripture says otherwise that it is clearly a continuation.

22 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘You have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. 23 You shall not make anything to be with Me—gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves. 24 An altar of earth you shall make for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In every place where I record My name I will come to you, and I will bless you. 25 And if you make Me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stone; for if you use your tool on it, you have profaned it. 26 Nor shall you go up by steps to My altar, that your nakedness may not be exposed on it.’
 
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The Ten Commandments are considered a core component of the broader Law of Moses.
Do you have a verse that goes along with the statement? Can you please find Moses in one place in the Ten Commandments? God is in every commandment in the first 4 that deal with our love to God. He doesn't ask for a lot, but I think it grieves Him when we rely on what is popular with man over what He asks.

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

But I understand some think otherwise and can not be convinced of this.
I agree even when God Himself identifies the Ten Commandments as His covenant, His commandments, not Moses, God's Testimony, not Moses and sadly so many cannot be convinced despite God's own spoken and written Testimony that no more was added to it. Its a standalone unit placed inside the ark of the covenant, written by the finger of God, not man.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.


But one should ask themselves, why divide the law?
God numbered one law- Ten which indicates there is a division , if they are all the same, mean the same things, than why number God’s Law, and add no more, why put some in the ark and some outside the ark- Scripture explains this but do we allow His word to do so. Is the God of the Universe writing the same and equal to man the creation writing. How can the law that defines sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11 be the same law that was added because of sin? Gal 3:19 Should we depend on what we think or what the Scriptures teach? Neh 9:13 Deut 4:13 Deut 5:22 Deut 31:24-26
As written, we read in Exodus 21 immediately after Moses delivers the words of the Lord written in stone, more words from the Lord are given to Moses adding more laws, " the Law of the Altar ". One can not say these are not from God. Scripture says otherwise that it is clearly a continuation.

22 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘You have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. 23 You shall not make anything to be with Me—gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves. 24 An altar of earth you shall make for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In every place where I record My name I will come to you, and I will bless you. 25 And if you make Me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stone; for if you use your tool on it, you have profaned it. 26 Nor shall you go up by steps to My altar, that your nakedness may not be exposed on it.’
Thanks for adding to my point, different laws that serve different purposes. The law of God the Ten Commandments is the description of sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7 is different than the law of Moses that contained the prescription of sin like the animal sacrifices for sin (breaking God's Law 1 John 3:4) until the Seed (Jesus)


Why its still a sin to worship other gods or steal or break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30
 
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Do you have a verse that goes along with the statement? Can you please find Moses in one place in the Ten Commandments?

I agree even when God Himself identifies the Ten Commandments as His covenant, His commandments, not Moses, God's Testimony, not Moses and sadly so many cannot be convinced despite God's own spoken and written Testimony that no more was added to it. Its a standalone unit placed inside the ark of the covenant, written by the finger of God, not man.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.



The fact God numbered one law- Ten says otherwise, if they are all the same, mean the same things, than why number them, why put some in the ark and some outside the ark, Is the God of the Universe writing the same and equal to man the creation writing. How can the law that defines sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11 be the same law that was added because of sin? Gal 3:19 Should we depend on what we think or what the Scriptures teach? Neh 9:13 Deut 4:13 Deut 5:22 Deut 31:24-26

Thanks for adding to my point, different laws that serve different purposes. The law of God the Ten Commandments is the description of sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7 is different than the law of Moses that contained the prescription of sin like the animal sacrifices for sin (breaking God's Law 1 John 3:4) until the Seed (Jesus)


Why its still a sin to worship other gods or steal or break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30
Thanks for sharing!
 
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Are we following the same path of disobedience of those who came before us Heb 4:11

Psa 119: 126 It is time for You to act, O LORD, For they have regarded Your law as void.
We do it every time we put our will ahead of the will of the Father. The foundation of mankind's world we have made in our own image, is built upon the concept of 'self' and self-interest. Our will ahead of His.
 
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We do it every time we put our will ahead of the will of the Father. The foundation of mankind's world we have made in our own image, is built upon the concept of 'self' and self-interest. Our will ahead of His.
Agreed. I believe God expressed His will through His personal Testimony that He personally wrote and spoke, the Ten Commandments Psa 40:8 Exo 31:18 and through His word.
 
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I believe God expressed His will
Right.. we shouldn't be so self-centred. Not enough to build a religion around (that was never His intention), but more than enough to follow as a way of life.
 
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Right.. we shouldn't be so self-centred. Not enough to build a religion around, but more than enough to follolw as a way of life.
Can you please clarify what you mean? Are you saying we should not keep God’s Ten Commandments as a moral guide and way of life?
 
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Are you saying we should not keep God’s Ten Commandments as a moral guide and way of life?
Keeping the 10 C's is just another way of emphasising what the Father said all along. Don't be self-centred. His will, not ours. Jesus summed up the 10 in 2, and people still don't get it. Don't be self-centred.
 
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Keeping the 10 C's is just another way of emphasising what the Father said all along. Don't be self-centred. His will, not ours. Jesus summed up the 10 in 2, and people still don't get it. Don't be self-centred.
Thanks for clarifying! Yes, it comes down to self over God. Jesus did sum up the commandments in 2 and even one- Love. How we love God and how we love our fellow man.
 
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