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They who specifically?

If only I had a dollar for every false prediction that was made during the first administration. How can people put so much trust in sources that gave them needless stomach ulcers the first time around?
You can check the numbers yourself.

For that matter you can check the debt numbers from the Trump I admin too. Are you one of those old school "deficits dont matter" Republicans? I can see why people think that. We havent had a proper debt reckoning because the rest of the world still seems to like the dollar. Cant see that going on forever tho.
 
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They who specifically?
Those who lose Medicaid or ACA subsidies and can't afford insurance.
How can people put so much trust in sources
This is the CBO. They are the government's impartial scorekeeper on the costs of bills.
 
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You can check the numbers yourself.
Deflection time.
For that matter you can check the debt numbers from the Trump I admin too. Are you one of those old school "deficits dont matter" Republicans? I can see why people think that. We havent had a proper debt reckoning because the rest of the world still seems to like the dollar. Cant see that going on forever tho.
I think the only thing some people really know about the numbers is what CNN et al tells them to believe. Just like the first time around when everything was going to collapse etc.
 
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Those who lose Medicaid or ACA subsidies and can't afford insurance.
And who is that going to be exactly?
This is the CBO. They are the government's impartial scorekeeper on the costs of bills.
There's umpteen links in this thread. Which one are you referring to? Where the CBO says "The evil oligarchy has to try to pay for its tax cuts for the rich. Even at that it failed. The Big Billionaire Buffet puts us trillions more in the hole".
 
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And who is that going to be exactly?
Here's some additional background for you on the ACA subsidy part. If you want a list of their names and addresses, you'll have to do that research yourself.

[Florida] has the highest number of Obamacare enrollees in the country, and millions of low- and middle-income residents have used the subsidies to afford health coverage since their creation in 2021. Florida, an epicenter of the MAGA movement, also has a disproportionately large number of small business owners and employees who are heavily dependent on the tax credits.

Not a single Republican voted in favor of creating the subsidies when then-President Joe Biden pushed them through, but the reliance of Sunshine State residents on them could give GOP representatives and senators cause to change their minds. Insurers, hospitals and business groups are mobilizing to push them on the issue. Polls show voters are likely to react poorly to skyrocketing insurance premiums, especially when combined with cuts to Medicaid and the ACA that Republicans enacted this summer.

Insurers are already submitting rate filings for 2026 to state regulators, and their median national proposed rate increase is an 11-percentage-point jump over last year, as some insurers factor in the expiration of the subsidies, according to a KFF analysis.

However, some beneficiaries will be hit much harder than others, depending on the size of the subsidy they receive. For instance, a low-income enrollee making 166 percent of the federal poverty level, or about $26,000, annually, ... would see a spike of 573 percent to their premiums for a silver tier plan

KFF gave an example of a 45-year-old making 432 percent of the poverty level who would see a premium increase of $941 a month.

About 88 percent of small business owners and self-employed and part-time workers in Florida depend upon ACA premium tax credits, according to Florida Blue, the largest Obamacare insurer in the state. Last year, Floridians received about $2.1 billion in enhanced subsidies, according to KFF.
 
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Deflection time.

I think the only thing some people really know about the numbers is what CNN et al tells them to believe. Just like the first time around when everything was going to collapse etc.
Are we in the era of one deficit number for Rs and different one for Ds?

At this rate it will grind down sooner or later.
 
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Here's some additional background for you on the ACA subsidy part. If you want a list of their names and addresses, you'll have to do that research yourself.
It was rhetorical question because there aren't any specific people involved, just predictions based on estimations and the usual fearmongering that went on daily from 2016 to 2020. Which they make billions off of.
 
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I think the only thing some people really know about the numbers is what CNN et al tells them to believe. Just like the first time around when everything was going to collapse etc.
Everything did collapse in Trump's first term.
 
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I know I'm discussing something with a MAGA
No, it's that I don't like the democrat liberalism side of things. It's full of hysteria and bizarre ideology in the opinion of many, who's numbers are growing.
 
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Sure, because voters were sick of prosperity and wanted to bring back hardship.
They were promised double secret prosperity, but what arrived was (per Musk) hardship.
 
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Speaker Johnson pushed Medicaid cuts. His constituents worry about their own coverage

The sweeping megabill pushed through Congress by House Speaker Mike Johnson could have some of its deepest consequences in his rural Louisiana district, where more than a third of residents are enrolled in Medicaid, according to data from the health information nonprofit KFF.

Thousands of residents who rely on the program that provides health coverage to low-income Americans could lose those benefits — and the federally qualified health centers that serve them could risk closure if they lose the current levels of revenue generated from Medicaid reimbursements.

"There's a lot of misconceptions," Johnson said at a July press conference in Bossier City. "This idea about how we're cutting Medicaid and people are going to lose their health coverage is just simply not true."

The changes to Medicaid are expected to generate nearly a trillion dollars in cuts, according to the Congressional Budget Office, which estimates 10 million people will lose their health care coverage.

In a mostly rural state, where poverty and chronic illness run deep, many depend on FQHCs for their care. Also called community health centers, FQHCs provide primary care, dental care, maternal health and behavioral health services in underserved areas to all patients, regardless of their ability to pay.

Nationally, Medicaid reimbursements account for 42 percent of FQHC revenue, compared to just one-tenth from congressional funding. That balance means any pullback in Medicaid can push clinics into crisis.
 
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We havent had a proper debt reckoning because the rest of the world still seems to like the dollar. Cant see that going on forever tho.
Yes! This. Default Dollar advantage and all that. (But economics quickly makes my eyes glaze over - I still can't quite visualise how it works - but apparently it gives all US consumers a greater advantage when buying overseas goods even than the rest of us OECD nations. That was - until Trump decided buying super cheap stuff from overseas with amazing Default Dollar advantages was a BAD thing - and put tariffs on it all.)

But I was hearing a concern that if America loses the Global Reserve currency status - the rest of the global economy could tank as well? I'm not sure how it works - but people I respect were saying this.
 
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No, it's that I don't like the democrat liberalism side of things. It's full of hysteria and bizarre ideology in the opinion of many, who's numbers are growing.
You may as well have finished is "It's just not fair - many people are saying it - we've never seen anything like this."
 
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You may as well have finished is "It's just not fair - many people are saying it - we've never seen anything like this."
That would be putting your words in my mouth. My words would be it's just too weird, like we said it was going to get, and many more are seeing it too.
 
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Sure, that's why he was reelected.
From this side of the pond it looked more like it was due to the inherent stupidty of a significant proportion of the American electorate. But what would we know, we're all a bunch of woke, snowflake commies over here.
 
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That would be putting your words in my mouth. My words would be it's just too weird, like we said it was going to get, and many more are seeing it too.
Yeah - I guess it does get a bit weird with a government led by a President with NPD offers multiple-million dollar tax cuts to the uber-rich and closes hospitals for the poor.
 
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Yeah - I guess it does get a bit weird with a government led by a President with NPD offers multiple-million dollar tax cuts to the uber-rich and closes hospitals for the poor.
Yes, that hyperbolic hysteria comes off as weird.
 
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