Trump’s immigration policies are putting the safety of American citizens at the forefront, where it should have been all along.

Valletta · Aug 1, 2025

In prioritizing political ideology over public safety, the Biden administration failed both the American people and the immigrants it claimed to protect. Releasing individuals into the U.S. without adequate vetting, supervision, or follow-up not only jeopardizes public safety and national security but also erodes public trust. Americans should not have to grieve the loss of their children or live in fear due to entirely preventable lapses in immigration enforcement. The most humane immigration policy is centered on public safety, rule of law, and the well-being of both migrants and U.S. citizens alike.

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Trump's immigration policies are putting the safety of American citizens at the forefront, where it should have been all along.

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This guy nailed it.

Fantine · Aug 1, 2025

You write as if immigrants--who stats show are more law abiding than the general population--are the only factors in making life safer here.
SMH.

PatrickTate · Aug 1, 2025

Valletta said:
In prioritizing political ideology over public safety, the Biden administration failed both the American people and the immigrants it claimed to protect. Releasing individuals into the U.S. without adequate vetting, supervision, or follow-up not only jeopardizes public safety and national security but also erodes public trust. Americans should not have to grieve the loss of their children or live in fear due to entirely preventable lapses in immigration enforcement. The most humane immigration policy is centered on public safety, rule of law, and the well-being of both migrants and U.S. citizens alike.

ICE Protects Americans From Criminals Biden Released

Trump's immigration policies are putting the safety of American citizens at the forefront, where it should have been all along.

thefederalist.com

This guy nailed it.

There is a school of thought that the people who could write a script for Biden to read for them actually wanted a number of crisis so that they could step with their solution that would be even worse than what they did during C o v i d. There are people who benefit greatly from a Bear Market. They deliberately crash the economy and then buy up real estate and smaller companies for a fraction of what they are worth and then they ride their value up again to a Bull Market. Increased levels of crime is one of their tools to achieve their goals.

President Donald J. Trump is clearly going against that type of plan.

DaisyDay · Aug 1, 2025

Alligator Alcatraz, located within walking distance of several Miccosukee villages - public safety for me but not for thee? The inmates there are not given any access to their lawyers. The floor flood and the toilets overflow. These makeshift holding pens are not humane.

https://apnews.com/article/alligator-alcatraz-lawsuit-miccosukee-tribe-florida-immigration-164069ac7e4cddc1f7278b218b9cf8f7

Say it aint so · Aug 1, 2025

Valletta said:
In prioritizing political ideology over public safety, the Biden administration failed both the American people and the immigrants it claimed to protect. Releasing individuals into the U.S. without adequate vetting, supervision, or follow-up not only jeopardizes public safety and national security but also erodes public trust. Americans should not have to grieve the loss of their children or live in fear due to entirely preventable lapses in immigration enforcement. The most humane immigration policy is centered on public safety, rule of law, and the well-being of both migrants and U.S. citizens alike.

ICE Protects Americans From Criminals Biden Released

Trump's immigration policies are putting the safety of American citizens at the forefront, where it should have been all along.

thefederalist.com

This guy nailed it.

Clearly the emboldened is not happening. What do you do when you are US citizens sweep up, sent to detention, and told "you have no rights here?" No one is against removing violent criminals who should not be here. Heck, Obama did it. But he did it without flushing the constitution down the toilet and with ICE officials not looking like bandits.

Valletta · Aug 1, 2025

Fantine said:
You write as if immigrants--who stats show are more law abiding than the general population--are the only factors in making life safer here.
SMH.

A misinterpretation of statistics might show that. Not all who commit crimes are identified as citizens or non-citizens. Are those who are here illegally shown as having committed a crime?

Valletta · Aug 1, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Alligator Alcatraz, located within walking distance of several Miccosukee villages - public safety for me but not for thee? The inmates there are not given any access to their lawyers. The floor flood and the toilets overflow. These makeshift holding pens are not humane.

https://apnews.com/article/alligator-alcatraz-lawsuit-miccosukee-tribe-florida-immigration-164069ac7e4cddc1f7278b218b9cf8f7

The Obama cages were bad. You are talking about temporary holding facilities on the way for people being deported. It does not sound as bad as the prisons that held the January 6th people, and they were U.S. citizens. For those who object to the facilities why push for delaying deportation.

Valletta · Aug 1, 2025

Say it aint so said:
Clearly the emboldened is not happening. What do you do when you are US citizens sweep up, sent to detention, and told "you have no rights here?" No one is against removing violent criminals who should not be here. Heck, Obama did it. But he did it without flushing the constitution down the toilet and with ICE officials not looking like bandits.

If you think they look like bandits you must be falling for the same media sources involved in hoax after hoax. For example, the media falsely reported that a man died in ICE custody, that was a guy who feel off of a roof. The truth is that in that incident ICE rescued 14 children, despite the threats against ICE and their families from antifa or antifa-affiliated organizations:

DHS Releases Update on Criminal Illegal Aliens Arrested, Children Rescued During Marijuana Grow Site Operation | Homeland Security

DHS released the following update regarding U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) operation at two marijuana grow sites in California.

www.dhs.gov

Realize that the Biden administration lost track of hundreds of thousands of children, and that administration got rid of the DNA testing so that unrelated adults could bring in kids. We need to focus on finding the trafficked children and trafficked women and men.

DaisyDay · Aug 1, 2025

Valletta said:
The Obama cages were bad.

Were they? Exactly how were they used and what was so bad? Were the people exposed to mosquitos and 24/7 bright lights? Were they forced to sleep next to overflowing toilets? If so, that's bad but it doesn't make this okay.

Valletta said:
You are talking about temporary holding facilities on the way for people being deported.

It's possible to hold people humanely. People being deported need access to their lawyers.

Valletta said:
It does not sound as bad as the prisons that held the January 6th people, and they were U.S. citizens.

It sounds a thousand times worse than the DC jail.

Valletta said:
For those who object to the facilities why push for delaying deportation.

Due process. Some of these immigrants are getting a life sentence in tortuous conditions, e.g. CECOT so a modicum of restraint is due.

Say it aint so · Aug 1, 2025

Valletta said:
If you think they look like bandits you must be falling for the same media sources involved in hoax after hoax. For example, the media falsely reported that a man died in ICE custody, that was a guy who feel off of a roof. The truth is that in that incident ICE rescued 14 children, despite the threats against ICE and their families from antifa or antifa-affiliated organizations:

DHS Releases Update on Criminal Illegal Aliens Arrested, Children Rescued During Marijuana Grow Site Operation | Homeland Security

DHS released the following update regarding U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) operation at two marijuana grow sites in California.

www.dhs.gov

bandits tend to wear masks....no? The link is not germane.

Valletta · Aug 1, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Were they? Exactly how were they used and what was so bad? Were the people exposed to mosquitos and 24/7 bright lights? Were they forced to sleep next to overflowing toilets? If so, that's bad but it doesn't make this okay.

It's possible to hold people humanely. People being deported need access to their lawyers.

It sounds a thousand times worse than the DC jail.

Due process. Some of these immigrants are getting a life sentence in tortuous conditions, e.g. CECOT so a modicum of restraint is due.

Where were you when all of the complaints surfaced about the D.C. prison? Prisoners complained because they were given a buck as a toilet and had to sleep on concrete floors with no mattresses.
And the pro-lifers, what about their conditions:

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Fantine · Aug 1, 2025

Valletta said:
The Obama cages were bad. You are talking about temporary holding facilities on the way for people being deported. It does not sound as bad as the prisons that held the January 6th people, and they were U.S. citizens. For those who object to the facilities why push for delaying deportation.

The January 6th insurrectionists belonged in prison.
A president you claim wants safety has been pardoning dangerous criminals right and left, even selling pardons for millions.
They say Diddy will be next.
Everyone except Maxwell...who is too dangerous to him.

Valletta said:
If you think they look like bandits you must be falling for the same media sources involved in hoax after hoax. For example, the media falsely reported that a man died in ICE custody, that was a guy who feel off of a roof. The truth is that in that incident ICE rescued 14 children, despite the threats against ICE and their families from antifa or antifa-affiliated organizations:

DHS Releases Update on Criminal Illegal Aliens Arrested, Children Rescued During Marijuana Grow Site Operation | Homeland Security

DHS released the following update regarding U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) operation at two marijuana grow sites in California.

www.dhs.gov

Realize that the Biden administration lost track of hundreds of thousands of children, and that administration got rid of the DNA testing so that unrelated adults could bring in kids. We need to focus on finding the trafficked children and trafficked women and men.

And you accuse us of catastrophizing? Your paragraph, from a literary standpoint, could be called hyperbole on steroids.

DaisyDay · Aug 1, 2025

Valletta said:
Where were you when all of the complaints surfaced about the D.C. prison? Prisoners complained because they were given a buck as a toilet and had to sleep on concrete floors with no mattresses.
And the pro-lifers, what about their conditions:

268K views · 3K reactions | "We went over two weeks without toilet paper and some of the guys mentioned that some of the men who were there with gender dysphoria wearing dresses— they could get mascara, lipstick, and perfume, but we couldn't even get

"We went over two weeks without toilet paper and some of the guys mentioned that some of the men who were there with gender dysphoria wearing dresses— they could get mascara, lipstick, and perfume,...

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What's the subject of this thread?

However, trying to poop on a buck would certainly present challenges.

Lukaris · Aug 1, 2025

Illegal immigrant crime is lower than domestic; so what? It is high enough and increasing;

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The Barbarian · Sunday at 4:29 PM

Lukaris said:
Illegal immigrant crime is lower than domestic; so what? It is high enough and increasing;

Well, that's a testable belief. Let's take a look. Texas is one state that actually keeps records of this:

So it actually declined a bit. The present governor of Texas, when he realized what the data say, refused to release updated information. Bottom line? If we deported all Trump's followers, and replaced them with illegal aliens, America would have lower crime rates.

Fantine said:
The January 6th insurrectionists belonged in prison.
A president you claim wants safety has been pardoning dangerous criminals right and left, even selling pardons for millions.

It's not as though they were tossing Subway sandwiches at people. Now there's a crime that should be punished. The guys who were beating police officers with clubs? Trump called them "peaceful patriots" and pardoned them.

Lukaris · Sunday at 5:32 PM

The Barbarian said:
Well, that's a testable belief. Let's take a look. Texas is one state that actually keeps records of this:

View attachment 369022
So it actually declined a bit. The present governor of Texas, when he realized what the data say, refused to release updated information. Bottom line? If we deported all Trump's followers, and replaced them with illegal aliens, America would have lower crime rates.

It's not as though they were tossing Subway sandwiches at people. Now there's a crime that should be punished. The guys who were beating police officers with clubs? Trump called them "peaceful patriots" and pardoned them.

Yet most homicides occur in blue metro cities that drive up the rate for red states. We are often told that crime is decreasing in major metro cities. If true, that is a good but the disproportion still lies with major blue metro cities and needs to continue. Why do you want to deport US citizens if the crime rate is decreasing? Why do you seem to approve of illegal alien crimes? They are still significant and homicides were in the single digits until the borders were neglected beginning in 2021. Illegal alien crimes seem to be declining significantly in 2025:

Total Criminal Convictions by Type

This table organizes nationwide convictions of criminal aliens by type of criminal conduct. Because some criminal aliens may be convicted of multiple criminal offenses, total convictions listed below exceed the total arrests noted in the table above.

Conviction Type	FY17	FY18	FY19	FY20	FY21	FY22	FY23	FY24	FY25 to July
Assault, Battery, Domestic Violence	692	524	299	208	1,178	1,142	1,254	1,084	502
Burglary, Robbery, Larceny, Theft, Fraud	595	347	184	143	825	896	864	697	296
Driving Under the Influence	1,596	1,113	614	364	1,629	1,614	2,493	2,844	1,189
Homicide, Manslaughter	3	3	2	3	60	62	29	29	15
Illegal Drug Possession, Trafficking	1,249	871	449	386	2,138	2,239	2,055	1,566	711
Illegal Entry, Re-Entry	4,502	3,920	2,663	1,261	6,160	6,797	8,790	10,935	3,654
Illegal Weapons Possession, Transport, Trafficking	173	106	66	49	336	309	307	232	97
Sexual Offenses	137	80	58	156	488	365	284	221	96
Other1	1,851	1,364	814	580	2,691	2,891	3,286	3,276	1,485

The FY total displays the total CES apprehensions but does not equal the sum of data by category because the same apprehension can have multiple NCIC Charges that are included in multiple categories.

1 “Other” includes any conviction not included in the categories above.

Criminal Alien Statistics

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

Crime rates in major metro ( mostly blue) US cities.

Which cities have the highest murder rates? | USAFacts

Memphis, St. Louis, Baltimore, Washington, DC, and Birmingham have the highest murder rates of all major US cities.

usafacts.org

If both rates are dropping then why disrupt whatever is being done at present?

The Barbarian · Sunday at 5:50 PM

Well, that's a testable belief. Let's take a look. Texas is one state that actually keeps records of this:

View attachment 369022
So it actually declined a bit. The present governor of Texas, when he realized what the data say, refused to release updated information. Bottom line? If we deported all Trump's followers, and replaced them with illegal aliens, America would have lower crime rates.

Lukaris said:
Yet most homicides occur in blue metro cities that drive up the rate for red states.

That excuse won't work for you, either. Turns out, El Paso has the highest percentage of illegal immigrants in the U.S.
And one of the lowest crime rates for any urban area. Do I need to show you that?

Lukaris said:
Why do you want to deport US citizens if the crime rate is decreasing?

That's Trump's plan.
President Trump says his administration is actively exploring a proposal to detain U.S. citizens and send them to prisons in El Salvador. Speaking Monday, minutes before a press briefing alongside El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele, Trump could be heard embracing the concept.

"The homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've got to build about five more places," Trump said to Bukele, an apparent reference to prison space that would be needed in El Salvador to house U.S. citizens.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador

Thought you knew. I'm just pointing out the facts. If we replaced U.S. citizens with illegal aliens, the crime rates would go down.

Lukaris said:
Why do you seem to approve of illegal alien crimes?

If you have to invent things you want me to believe to make your point, isn't that a pretty good clue about your point?

Lukaris said:
They are still significant and homicides were in the single digits until the borders were neglected beginning in 2021.

Well, let's take a look...

So the went up after 2016 (there was a change in philosophy about crime in the WH at that time, and there was a pandemic) but then rates started to fall in 2021. Notice that homicide rates haven't been double digits per 100,000 people for over 30 years. C'mon.

Lukaris said:
Crime rates in major metro ( mostly blue) US cities.

Three of the top five and eleven of the top fifteen were in red states. Maybe you need to do some careful thinking here.

Lukaris said:
If both rates are dropping then why disrupt whatever is being done at present?

My point exactly. If the rates are falling, why would Trump want to change things? I'm guessing that, as a convicted felon, he has a different view than most Americans.

The Barbarian · Sunday at 6:05 PM

Here's the real issue. Under Obama and Biden, ICE was tasked with prioritizing the removal of illegal immigrants who had committed violent crimes. And it worked.

https://tracreports.org/immigration/reports/216/

Now, ICE has quotas to meet. Raw numbers have been prioritized rather than focusing on the criminals.

Despite Trump administration rhetoric accusing Democrats of protecting violent criminals and drug-dealing immigrants, the administration’s arrests have been catching a smaller share of criminals overall, and a smaller share of people convicted of violent and drug crimes, than the Biden administration did in the same time frame.

Convicted criminals make up less than half of ICE arrests under Trump • Stateline

Despite Trump administration rhetoric accusing Democrats of protecting violent criminals and drug-dealing immigrants, the administration’s arrests have been catching a smaller share of criminals overall, and a smaller share of people convicted of violent and drug crimes, than the Biden...

stateline.org

And we are less safe as a result. In fact, American citizens who "looked illegal" have been grabbed by ICE agents who are under great pressure to meet deportation quotas. There are no consequences for them going after American citizens, so it's not surprising that some of them will toss the rules out the window to make quotas.

eclipsenow · Sunday at 7:33 PM

Trump's immigration policies are like complaining that a river of gold is pouring into America, and we've just got to stop that river!

They are MORE law abiding than native-born Americans, and generate MORE revenue than it costs to keep them!
What has happened to Republicans that they do not value human beings as the economic units they used to simplify them as?
Racist FUD has taken over.

Actual peer-reviewed demographic, crime, and social studies have been nerfed.

I guess anything Trump does not like is "fake news"?
Look away Republicans - inconvenient truths below!
Look away. Have a nice cup of warm milk and a cookie before bed.
You'll forget all about these uncomfortable realities - I swear!

Opponents of illegal immigration worry about crime, as well as possible social and economic burdens caused by migration.[8] Opponents also insist immigrants enter the United States through a formal process and do not want to reward those bypassing the system.[9][10]

Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the US economy, contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services.[11][12][13][14] Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase US gross domestic product.[15][16][17][18] Most scientific studies have shown that undocumented immigrants commit less crime than natives and legal immigrants.[19][20][21] Sanctuary cities—which adopt policies designed to avoid prosecuting people solely for being in the country illegally—have no statistically meaningful impact on crime.[22][23] Research suggests that immigration enforcement has no impact on crime rates.[22][24][25]

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lukaris · Sunday at 7:40 PM

The Barbarian said:
That excuse won't work for you, either. Turns out, El Paso has the highest percentage of illegal immigrants in the U.S.
And one of the lowest crime rates for any urban area. Do I need to show you that?

You were trashing red states in general and I wasn’t referring to illegal immigrants in this instance. I was saying large metro blue cities drag up the homicide rates in red states just like in blue states.

The Barbarian said:
Well, let's take a look...

The chart in my post shows homicides by illegal aliens at 3 in 2020 vs 60 in 2021 & 2022. Border enforcement dropped homicides by illegal aliens increased dramatically. Homicides by illegals fell to 29 in 2023 & 24. Border enforcement seems to be proportionally reducing illegal alien crime rates across the board in 2025 although this is only 7 months in of course.

Deporting convicted citizen criminals to foreign jails is a dangerous idea and so is negligence of human trafficking.

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The Biden administration placed thousands of illegal alien children in the care of unvetted sponsors, according to Sen. Chuck Grassley.

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