Dozens of OB-GYNs fled Idaho after its abortion ban. Medicaid cuts could make access to care even worse.

ThatRobGuy · Saturday at 8:30 PM

NxNW said:
If something is safe and legal, why should the government be limiting access?

Because it's not ideal.

If a person is getting an abortion for any reason other than rape/incest/health at later than 16 weeks, that means "mistakes were made" and we need to be encouraging caution and not making it "the norm"

Going to the ER to get my stomach pumped for doing too many shots of Patron is safe and legal, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be discouraging the behavior that led to that outcome.

NxNW said:
Nobody's having elective third trimester abortions, though.

A) Yes, some are, I've shared before that certain clinics even advertise that service specifically. I can get the links from my previous posts if you really want to see them.

B) If it's not a case of rape/incest/health... why is someone waiting until after 16 weeks to "get it taken care of"?

The one question nobody's been able to provide a cogent answer for any time I've asked...

Why is it that the most progressive nations on the planet (Nordic countries) seem to get by just fine with setting the limits somewhere between 14-18 weeks (and if you want an elective one beyond that, you have to get approval from a review board), yet, when a red state here says "we're capping it at 20 weeks", all of the sudden "the sky is falling, this a war against women"?

NxNW · Saturday at 9:03 PM

RileyG said:
Yes, some laws need to be better written and I don’t disagree with that at all. And YES, people can care about both. Good grief.

The question was: do they? My follow-up is: if they do care, then what are they doing about it?

RileyG said:
Abortion is deliberate taking of a life. Sometimes miscarriage randomly occur.

Miscarriages occur much more often than live births. It's actually the norm.

RileyG said:
Not ready to be a parent? Don’t have sex. Simple really.

Well, you're forgetting that birth control exists. But even if used 100% correctly, the 1% failure rate is going to mean a million unwanted pregnancies a year in the US alone. You're not going to adopt or abstain your way of of that figure.

RileyG said:
(I’m not referring to sexual assault here, only consensual sex between two adults)

Actions lead to consequences.

Christianity and the GOP disagree with the majority of society on which consequences are acceptable, and they're trying to force their minority views on everyone.

RileyG · Saturday at 9:32 PM

NxNW said:
The question was: do they? My follow-up is: if they do care, then what are they doing about it?

Miscarriages occur much more often than live births. It's actually the norm.

Well, you're forgetting that birth control exists. But even if used 100% correctly, the 1% failure rate is going to mean a million unwanted pregnancies a year in the US alone. You're not going to adopt or abstain your way of of that figure.

Christianity and the GOP disagree with the majority of society on which consequences are acceptable, and they're trying to force their minority views on everyone.

Who writes the laws? Not the voters

I’m very much aware. But a viable pregnancy shouldn’t be aborted because the child is unwanted. That’s beyond cruel and selfish.

I’m aware birth control exists, and it’s not always effective. If it fails it doesn’t justify having an abortion. Period, again? Don’t want to 100% be a parent? Don’t have sex. It’s not that difficult.

Also, Christianity is meant to be countercultural, but this post isn’t about Christianity.

It’s about protecting the most innocent.

RileyG · Saturday at 9:36 PM

NxNW said:
The question was: do they? My follow-up is: if they do care, then what are they doing about it?

Miscarriages occur much more often than live births. It's actually the norm.

Well, you're forgetting that birth control exists. But even if used 100% correctly, the 1% failure rate is going to mean a million unwanted pregnancies a year in the US alone. You're not going to adopt or abstain your way of of that figure.

Christianity and the GOP disagree with the majority of society on which consequences are acceptable, and they're trying to force their minority views on everyone.

ALSO, ALSO, there are plenty of atheists, secular, and Democratic/left people who are proudly pro life. Their political persuasion or lack of religion has nothing to do with it.

Even the late Christopher Hitchens, an “anti-theist,” admitted the unborn were indeed human, he wasn’t opposed to it, because I suspect his followers would be upset with him.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 9:40 PM

RileyG said:
Don’t want to 100% be a parent? Don’t have sex. It’s not that difficult.

Life long celibacy, clearly not something anyone would struggle with.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 9:42 PM

RileyG said:
ALSO, ALSO, there are plenty of atheists, secular, and Democratic/left people who are proudly pro life. Their political persuasion or lack of religion has nothing to do with it.

So plentiful, one can hardly find a religious message at an anti abortion rally.

RileyG · Saturday at 10:38 PM

Desk trauma said:
So plentiful, one can hardly find a religious message at an anti abortion rally.

Again. It’s NOT about religion. It’s about protecting the victims of abortion- the unborn.

RileyG · Saturday at 10:39 PM

Desk trauma said:
Life long celibacy, clearly not something anyone would struggle with.

So? If someone wants to have sex when the woman can clearly become pregnant, it doesn’t justify abortion, regardless.

Life, as a whole, is a struggle.

RileyG · Saturday at 10:41 PM

Desk trauma said:
So plentiful, one can hardly find a religious message at an anti abortion rally.

Last time I checked, this is Christian forums.

Not abortion forums, nor atheist forums.

Expect some faithful Christians to be opposed to one of the greatest evils of our day- abortion.

Remember what site you are on!

Good grief!

I’m proudly pro life and not even shy about it.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 10:42 PM

RileyG said:
Again. It’s NOT about religion. It’s about protecting the victims of abortion- the unborn.

And it’s disingenuous to pretend that the anti abortion movement in the US isn’t dominated by religious groups.

RileyG · Saturday at 10:43 PM

Desk trauma said:
And it’s disingenuous to pretend that the anti abortion movement in the US isn’t dominated by religious groups.

I don’t care.

The unborn don’t deserve to die in the name of “choice.”

Thats beyond selfish and cruel,

It’s downright evil.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 10:43 PM

RileyG said:
Last time I checked, this is Christian forums.

Last I checked I was commenting on this:

RileyG said:
ALSO, ALSO, there are plenty of atheists, secular, and Democratic/left people who are proudly pro life. Their political persuasion or lack of religion has nothing to do with it.

Not the nature of this forum.

RileyG · Saturday at 10:44 PM

Desk trauma said:
Last I checked I was commenting on this:

Not the nature of this forum.

Promoting abortion is against the forum rules.

No one deserves to die.

Not even the most innocent.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 10:44 PM

RileyG said:
I don’t care.

Odd to make a post about something you don’t care about.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 10:45 PM

RileyG said:
Promoting abortion is against the forum rules.

And?

RileyG · Saturday at 10:45 PM

Desk trauma said:
Odd to make a post about something you don’t care about.

Stop with the personal attacks.

It’s uncalled for.

“Address the post, not the poster.”

RileyG · Saturday at 10:45 PM

Desk trauma said:
And?

Stop. Now.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 10:46 PM

RileyG said:
Stop with the personal attacks.

None were made.

RileyG said:
It’s uncalled for.

It didn’t take place.

RileyG said:
“Address the post, not the poster.”

I have addressed only the contents of the post.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 10:47 PM

RileyG said:
Stop. Now.

Stop what? Replying to your posts?

RileyG · Saturday at 10:47 PM

Desk trauma said:
None were made.

It didn’t take place.

I have addressed only the contents of the post.

Promoting abortion on a Christian forum is against the TOS. Period.

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