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I know this is petty, but it grinds my gears when people say we live in a democracy. We do not. We live in a constitutional republic. There are big differences, fundamentally and practically, between the two.
And it always seems to be democrats who make this mistake. Makes me wonder why that is.
Sure, why have elections at all, since we're not a democracy?
 
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I haven't yet read through this thread, but wanted to share my own personal opinion. I presume some people are up in arms over Trump's vendetta to clean up the disaster the past administration inflicted upon us

This is a very tricky topic. On the one hand, God detests lawlessness, and therefore we must not stand for it either. There are many very important reasons why we have immigration laws and procedures, and must enforce them.
On the other hand, God is no respecter of nations, and we were taught many times to treat foreigners with love, as we were once foreigners in Egypt.

So what do we do? How do we handle this while staying in accordance with God's wishes for ALL of us, not just US citizens?

We do what Jesus would do. We pursue justice. We enforce the laws. We enforce them with love and a soft heart, but enforce them we must.

Interested to see other's thought on this topic.
Not tricky at all.
ALL are welcome here if they come the legal way. If not, not welcomed until then.
There are other countries that have entrance laws, some more strict, some less.
I have friends who have come here the legal way and none of them agree with what Biden allowed in letting millions in illegally.
It is a deliberate attempt to weaken America further, which is most democrats goal, though few of them will admit it.

God has an entrance requirement into Heaven. Those who don't meet that requirement will be in Hell.
That is worse than what is going on, on this earth with deporting illegal entrants.
So yes, we can love, but sometimes love has to be tough, not as tough as what God will do for those who don't meet His requirement, but tough in the sense, nope, you entered illegally, go back home and try the legal route next time.
Pretty sure those who gripe about this on the democrat side would have us removed and sent back home if we went on their property and in their home and planted ourselves there. They would say we have no right ot be there and then they would call the police and have them remove us.
 
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I know this is petty, but it grinds my gears when people say we live in a democracy. We do not. We live in a constitutional republic. There are big differences, fundamentally and practically, between the two.
This again. The US is a representational democracy AND a constitutional republic. We the people choose our representatives by voting.
And it always seems to be democrats who make this mistake. Makes me wonder why that is.
Reagan was a big ole Democrat, eh?


We do that to elect our Republican Representatives.
I wonder if you understand the difference between capital-R Republican and lowercase-r republican. There seems to be a bit of confusion here....
 
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Do you mean that the conditions, methods and processes at Alligator Alcatraz should be greatly changed?
Read the linked article from the post you quoted. Tl;dr: no, a judge has ordered it shut down for environmental & other reasons.
 
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Read the linked article from the post you quoted. Tl;dr: no, a judge has ordered it shut down for environmental & other reasons.
Ty for the information

I was pointing out that I think that detention/processing centers are a very good idea. The issues are how they are run, due process and teh conditions. I could imagine a scenario where there are large numbers coming in from ICE sweeps, the majority checked and released in 2-3 days, all having a quick hearing before an immigration judge within a month and the rest releaased, and some requiring more time perhaps staying for 6 months.

Of course, transparency is the key.

My feeling is that almost everyone would be better off than in the system under Biden, under the present system or probably under any system that this administration will run.
 
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This again. The US is a representational democracy AND a constitutional republic. We the people choose our representatives by voting.

Reagan was a big ole Democrat, eh?



I wonder if you understand the difference between capital-R Republican and lowercase-r republican. There seems to be a bit of confusion here....
:) perhaps the poster wants to elect Republican representatives.
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Yes, both parties have the confusion with lower case and upper case forms of their names.
 
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Ty for the information

I was pointing out that I think that detention/processing centers are a very good idea. The issues are how they are run, due process and teh conditions. I could imagine a scenario where there are large numbers coming in from ICE sweeps, the majority checked and released in 2-3 days, all having a quick hearing before an immigration judge within a month and the rest releaased, and some requiring more time perhaps staying for 6 months.

Of course, transparency is the key.
Transparency and due process, agreed. The detainees should be given access to their lawyers. Their families should be know where they're being kept. There is no good reason for the cruelty.
My feeling is that almost everyone would be better off than in the system under Biden, under the present system or probably under any system that this administration will run.
I don't understand this sentence....
 
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I wonder if you understand the difference between capital-R Republican and lowercase-r republican. There seems to be a bit of confusion here....

When do you capitalize the name of a profession?​


The short answer is to capitalize job titles when they act as proper nouns. When job titles are used as common nouns, use lowercase for the first letter.


How do you know if a job title is a proper noun or just a common noun? Basically, if a job title is part of the name, then it’s a proper noun and you capitalize it. To put it another way, when a job title is used before a name, it’s similar to a courtesy title like Mr. or Ms. and should be capitalized.


Thanks for nudging me toward refreshing my English studies.

Maybe we can start a English studies forum, to help us keep threads in this forum on topic.

Maybe this Administration will start correcting the English of illegals who are attempting to sponge off of benefits, that should be appropriated to American citizens, instead of responding to their questions or concerns.
 
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I know this is petty, but it grinds my gears when people say we live in a democracy. We do not. We live in a constitutional republic. There are big differences, fundamentally and practically, between the two.
And it always seems to be democrats who make this mistake. Makes me wonder why that is.
According to my dictionary, the primary meaning of democracy is:

"a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives:"

The United States fits that description. So it's a democracy.

Yes, I know that in the past the word "democracy" was generally more specifically used to refer to a system like that in Ancient Athens (and other places in Greece), where power was given directly to the people (well, the ones who had the right to vote anyway) rather than exercised through representatives. Thus one can find various earlier writings contrasting "democracy" with the government of the United States--but that is in reference to that more narrow definition of democracy. And even then, often qualifiers like "pure" would be used to make it clear that was what they were referring to.

However, word meanings can shift over time, and the meaning of "democracy" has expanded and is commonly used to refer to cases where people exercise power through elected representatives like the United States (which is how pretty much every modern democracy exists). To say that the United States isn't a democracy simply doesn't make sense. It is. Long ago ago maybe you could be telling people they were misusing the word, but by the modern meaning of the term the United States fits. Heck, a full two hundred years ago the term could be used to refer to the United States, as seen when John Quincy Adams referred to the United States as such in his inaugural address:

"If there have been those who doubted whether a confederated representative democracy were a government competent to the wise and orderly management of the common concerns of a mighty nation, those doubts have been dispelled"
 
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The phrase is pretty self-explanatory.
Not really. It's a vague cliche.

I find cliches to be crutches for intellectual sloth.

If you have an objection to enforcing laws that were duly passed to protect our citizens; I'd like to understand your rationale.
 
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According to my dictionary, the primary meaning of democracy is:

"a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives:"

The United States fits that description. So it's a democracy.
Our nation's founders are rolling in their graves.

Here are some examples of how they described Democracy:


"Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; have in general been as short in their lives as they are violent in their deaths." --James Madison (You know...that guy who wrote our Constitution), Federalist Papers (# 10)

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." --Benjamin Franklin

"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide". --John Adams

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." --Thomas Jefferson

"Democracy is the most vile form of government... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property: and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." --James Madison


"This was the only defence agst. the inconveniencies of democracy consistent with the democratic form of Govt. All civilized Societies would be divided into different Sects, Factions, & interests, as they happened to consist of rich & poor, debtors & creditors, the landed, the manufacturing, the commercial interests, the inhabitants of this district or that district, the followers of this political leader or that political leader, the disciples of this religious Sect or that religious Sect. In all cases where a majority are united by a common interest or passion, the rights of the minority are in danger. What motives are to restrain them?" -- James Madison

"It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity." -- Alexander Hamilton

"In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority." --Edmund Burke
 
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When do you capitalize the name of a profession?​


The short answer is to capitalize job titles when they act as proper nouns. When job titles are used as common nouns, use lowercase for the first letter.


How do you know if a job title is a proper noun or just a common noun? Basically, if a job title is part of the name, then it’s a proper noun and you capitalize it. To put it another way, when a job title is used before a name, it’s similar to a courtesy title like Mr. or Ms. and should be capitalized.


Thanks for nudging me toward refreshing my English studies.

Maybe we can start a English studies forum, to help us keep threads in this forum on topic.

Maybe this Administration will start correcting the English of illegals who are attempting to sponge off of benefits, that should be appropriated to American citizens, instead of responding to their questions or concerns.
The reason I pointed this out is because of the discussion of our form of government, republic or democracy. The question on your use of the capital R referred to Republican, not Representative.

The capital R is proper for Republican if you meant you were voting for the party to represent you, but it should be lowercase r if you meant the form of government that is representing you. Either is fine depending on your point. I was questioning what you actually meant within the context of the convo. I still don't know which you meant as the latter makes more sense in the context, but you still may very well have meant the former.

I'm happy you looked it up and understand the difference because I know how much I like learning these things so I assume you do as well. That being said, I still don't know what you meant originally by "We do that to elect our Republican Representatives." I guess it boils down to who the "we" is in that declaration - we Americans or we Republicans.
 
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Not really. It's a vague cliche.

I find cliches to be crutches for intellectual sloth.
And I find that people who resort to personal attacks tend to lack any sort of real argument
If you have an objection to enforcing laws that were duly passed to protect our citizens; I'd like to understand your rationale.
Not sure how this relates to my posts. You gave the impression that you don't really care what the government does, so long as it is in the service of your vision of "justice". I was asking if that was accurate. Hence my question, "The ends justify the means?"
 
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