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ICE notifies Kilmar Abrego Garcia's lawyers of possible deportation to Uganda after Tennessee jail release

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Why would it make any sense for him to be sent to Uganda?
He was eligible for deportation under the court order, except to his home country, El Salvador. He had claimed he would be in danger there. He won't self deport so he doesn't get a choice. Our country has an agreement with Uganda for them to accept deportees.
 
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He was eligible for deportation under the court order, except to his home country, El Salvador. He had claimed he would be in danger there. He won't self deport so he doesn't get a choice. Our country has an agreement with Uganda for them to accept deportees.
Well that sounds just like human trafficking to me. Isn’t he supposed to be on trial here in the US?
 
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Well that sounds just like human trafficking to me. Isn’t he supposed to be on trial here in the US?
It is rather obvious that Garcia was involved in human trafficking and the Biden people ordered local law enforcement to let him go. Garcia just turned down a deal to go to Costa Rica. So the U.S. government will choose the place. I doubt if the U.S. will extradite him from Uganda for trial.
 
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It is rather obvious that Garcia was involved in human trafficking and the Biden people ordered local law enforcement to let him go. I doubt if the U.S. will extradite him from Uganda for trial.

Stop disparging Garcia with unfounded lies.
 
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It is rather obvious that Garcia was involved in human trafficking and the Biden people ordered local law enforcement to let him go. Garcia just turned down a deal to go to Costa Rica. So the U.S. government will choose the place. I doubt if the U.S. will extradite him from Uganda for trial.
What Biden people? Be specific. I’m sure you have a source to back your claim local law enforcement was ordered to let him go.
 
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What Biden people? Be specific. I’m sure you have a source to back your claim local law enforcement was ordered to let him go.
Are we trying the guy's case? I said "it was rather obvious." The highway patrol pulled him over for speeding, he had an expired drivers license and there were 9 in the vehicle with no luggage. As I recall they all gave the same address. He also admitted it was not his vehicle. The news reports said federal authorities were contacted, if you want to know which one or ones you can look up news reports. Are you claiming that the Highway Patrol took the time to contact the feds and the feds told them to hold on to them or cite them and they instead let them go? To me that doesn't make sense at all. State law enforcement is big on having a valid drivers license and valid registration, and they don't let a lot of out of state speeders off without a ticket.
 
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Are we trying the guy's case? I said "it was rather obvious." The highway patrol pulled him over for speeding, he had an expired drivers license and there were 11 in the vehicle with no luggage. As I recall they all gave the same address. He also admitted it was not his vehicle. The news reports said federal authorities were contacted, if you want to know which one or ones you can look up news reports. Are you claiming that the Highway Patrol took the time to contact the feds and the feds told them to hold on to them or cite them and they instead let them go? To me that doesn't make sense at all. State law enforcement is big on having a valid drivers license and valid registration, and they don't let a lot of out of state speeders off without a ticket.
You claimed it was obvious. I figured you had a source. No one was talking about him at all until he was “ accidentally “ sent to a foreign gulag without due process. If local law enforcement released him, then they didn’t have a case. No evidence it was on orders from the Feds.
 
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You claimed it was obvious. I figured you had a source. No one was talking about him at all until he was “ accidentally “ sent to a foreign gulag without due process. If local law enforcement released him, then they didn’t have a case. No evidence it was on orders from the Feds.
Please provide a source to support your statement that "If local law enforcement released him, then they didn’t have a case." Be specific.
 
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Please provide a source to support your statement that "If local law enforcement released him, then they didn’t have a case." Be specific.
Seems obvious. Just going with your logic. I’m not the one accusing “Biden people” of ordering his release.
 
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It is rather obvious that Garcia was involved in human trafficking and the Biden people ordered local law enforcement to let him go. Garcia just turned down a deal to go to Costa Rica. So the U.S. government will choose the place. I doubt if the U.S. will extradite him from Uganda for trial.
"The smuggling charges stem from a 2022 traffic stop in Tennessee for speeding. There were nine passengers in the car, and officers discussed among themselves their suspicions of smuggling. However, Abrego Garcia was allowed to continue driving with only a warning. A Department of Homeland Security agent later testified that he didn't begin investigating the traffic stop until this April, when the government was facing mounting pressure to return Abrego Garcia to the U.S."

This should stop the speculation that Biden was involved. You think the former President talked to the Tennessee police in the first hour when he was stopped?
 
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Well that sounds just like human trafficking to me. Isn’t he supposed to be on trial here in the US?
I can't understand why this man can't get a trial either? It seems it is only because he has embarrassed some MAGA in the Trump Administration so they are seeking revenge. Any USA prisoner sent to Uganda is a clear injustice. Anyone that supports that should check what sort of justice they think is being offered. If he is a US criminal then let's have a trial. If he is innocent then immigration can deal with him. If he is guilty he can go to a USA prison. If he can't return to his own nation as he claims, then he is a bona fide refugee and could be allowed to stay here or perhaps find another nation. It really is simple to me. Politics got involved in this man's life. The orginal police stop let him go with a warning. Seems like the government wants him to vanish so that they will not have to try him. They could force him into a plea deal by this Uganda torture scenario. Is it torture? Here is what AI on google says. It is plain a simple cruel and unusual punishment. I do not see how any Christian can support this though I am listening to anyone that cares to respond.
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"Uganda's prisons are in a state of severe crisis, marked by overwhelming overcrowding that leads to dire conditions, including lack of space, poor sanitation, and scarce food and water. This chronic congestion results in poor healthcare, increased violence, and threats to human rights. While the Uganda Prisons Service acknowledges the problems and aims for humane custody and rehabilitation, significant challenges persist, with many inmates lacking basic necessities and suffering inhumane treatment.

Key Issues in Ugandan Prisons
  • Severe Overcrowding:
    Prisons consistently hold tens of thousands more inmates than their designed capacity, leading to critical shortages of space.

  • Poor Living Conditions:
    • Lack of Space: Prisoners often sleep on the same floors where they relieve themselves due to the absence of proper toilets, creating unsanitary environments.

    • Limited Bedding: The overcrowding results in restricted access to bedding and personal space for inmates.
  • Food and Water Scarcity:
    Access to adequate food and clean drinking water is severely limited.

  • Health and Sanitation Challenges:
    • Poor Health Care: Detention facilities suffer from shortages of drugs and inadequate access to health services.

    • Lack of Toilets: No real toilet facilities are available in cells, with buckets often used as a substitute, exacerbating poor sanitation.
  • Human Rights Concerns:
    • Dehumanization and Ill-treatment: Conditions are so poor that they constitute ill-treatment and dehumanizing practices, as noted by international bodies and human rights groups.

    • Forced Prison Labour: Some sources highlight the continued use of prison labour for private companies as a continuation of colonial practices and a form of exploitation."
 
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Why would he be deported to a place he's never been? It seems like he needs to be protected from Trump and Trump's people.
The Trump administration is supposed to comply with the law and deport him. No Democrat has stepped forward to let him even temporarily stay at their villas or other properties in foreign countries. The only three governments that I know of that have agreed to take him in are Uganda, El Salvador and Costa Rica. Garcia turned down El Salvador and Costa Rica.
 
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It is rather obvious that Garcia was involved in human trafficking and the Biden people ordered local law enforcement to let him go.
How is this obvious? What evidence was it that convinced you he was guilty?
Garcia just turned down a deal to go to Costa Rica. So the U.S. government will choose the place. I doubt if the U.S. will extradite him from Uganda for trial.
I don’t see why he would go to any of these places. His home is here in the US.
 
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Please provide a source to support your statement that "If local law enforcement released him, then they didn’t have a case." Be specific.

“He was returned to Tennessee in June to face human smuggling charges that prosecutors say are tied to a 2022 Tennessee traffic stop. Abrego was neither cited nor arrested when he was pulled over by Tennessee Highway Patrol officers with nine passengers in his vehicle. Prosecutors now allege the stop was part of a human smuggling operation in which Abrego was paid to transport immigrants illegally in the United States to points around the country.”

He was neither cited or arrested as stated above. Local law enforcement was not involved with any case regarding his alleged crimes at the time. There was no reason for the Feds to be involved, or anyone in custody for them to order released.
 
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The Trump administration is supposed to comply with the law and deport him. No Democrat has stepped forward to let him even temporarily stay at their villas or other properties in foreign countries. The only three governments that I know of that have agreed to take him in are Uganda, El Salvador and Costa Rica. Garcia turned down El Salvador and Costa Rica.
Under what law do you force a deportation of a criminal defendent before his trial? The need of a trial should outweigh the need to follow deportation procedures. I'll assume too that even if he was a tried and guilty criminal, his deportation needs to be vetted more as some judges seem to suggest. Ai google says this:
"Nations must balance national security with international obligations when deporting criminals who are also refugees. While states have the right to deport, they are bound by human rights laws, which require individual assessments for asylum claims and prohibit deporting individuals to places where their lives or safety would be at risk. The process involves legal frameworks, individual assessments to ensure due process, and a consideration of international human rights, though some nations explore third-country processing schemes."
 
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"There was no reason for the Feds to be involved, or anyone in custody for them to order released."
I looked it up myself, it turned out to be the FBI, my highlighting:

"During a Dec. 1, 2022 traffic stop by a Tennessee Highway Patrol officer, Abrego García was found to be transporting eight passengers across the country, sources told the Tennessee Star. He allegedly did not have a valid driver’s license and was suspected of trafficking the passengers but was let go at the request of the Federal Bureau of Investigation."
 
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