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WHY WATER BAPTISM WILL DISAPPEAR AND THEN REAPPEAR !!

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The first believers got it slightly wrong - water baptism is a trick, a test, built into the gospel.

Worldwide, churches of all shapes and sizes teach people to be baptized in water. It's hard to get two of them to agree on exactly how it's supposed to be done,
whether you baptize in the name of Jesus, or in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost;
whether you sprinkle or pour water on people, or dunk them in the water;
whether it's done in a pool inside a church, or in a river;
who does it;
what the person doing it needs to believe in order for it to be valid;
whether you tip the person backward, or forward, when putting them under the water;
how old the person needs to be before you can baptize them;
what to do if the person backslides after being baptized;
whether the Holy Spirit comes into a person before, during, or after the water baptism...

The list goes on and on. There have been more divisions in the church over water baptism than over any other teaching in the Holy Bible or out of it.

Paul is the first person to have seen through this confusion to the truth behind it.

People were arguing over who had baptized them. Paul had baptized only a small handful of people, but soon realized that Jesus never meant for us to baptize people in water:

For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chl-oe that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1 Cor. 1:11-17).

The understanding of baptism has been messed up and distorted from antiquity. The result has been not unlike the parable of the sower, where two different seeds were sown but only one produced fruit. And such rituals of men are easy to fake. There is something far more satisfying than being dunked in water. God says that he wants obedience more than sacrifice (1 Sam. 15:22).

Water baptism was a Jewish ritual, a Hebrew practice. There is nothing uniquely Christian about water baptism. The disciples did baptize in water, but Jesus did not do it (John 4:2). Water baptism is inconsistent with the Spirit of everything else that Jesus taught. Most of Jesus' enemies were circumcised; most were baptized!

...I [John] indeed baptize you [the multitude] with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire (Luke 3:16).

What of Jesus' baptism? John protested:

But John forbade [Jesus], saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? (Mat. 3:14).

Jesus was the perfect spotless Lamb of God; he didn't need his sins washed away. Rather, Jesus asked John to accommodate him, because it made sense for them "to fulfill all righteousness" (Mat. 3:15). So John went ahead and baptized Jesus. The end of the old, and the start of the new.

So what does "to fulfill all righteousness" mean?

Well, Jesus was born into a Jewish family; circumcised at 8 days of age; taken to the temple at 12 years of age; raised in all the disciplines of the Jewish religion. And now he does this one final Jewish ritual, marking the end of his Jewishness and the start of a deeper revelation.

Jesus came to replace, fulfill, render useless, the law of Moses:

The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it (Luke 16:16). Out with the old, in with the new.

There is only one Lord, one faith, and one baptism via the Holy Ghost!

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...(1 Cor. 12:13).

The main reason that Baptism stops is because Israel was SET SIDE IN. ACTS 28:25 and 26 and Baptism

will appear again during The Great Tribulation in. Mark 16. -18. !!
Water baptism is not what is being referred to here.

Context is everything. Here is the passage:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Mat. 28:18-20).

What are the action words in that passage (v. 19)?

There are only two action words = go and preach. When the disciples obey the commands to go and to preach, then the result is that people get baptized and taught. The disciples are NOT told to baptize anyone. Rather, baptizing is what takes place EVERY TIME someone receives the truth of what they preach.

So baptism is never a one-off. Baptizing happens to someone EVERY TIME he receives the truth.

To reprise:

And [Jesus] said unto [his disciples], Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized [in the Spirit, NOT water baptized] shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned [IOW, belief results in spiritual baptism unto salvation; unbelief results in damnation (water baptism is irrelevant)]...And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word [NOT with water baptisms] with signs following. Amen. (Mark 16:15-16, 20).

actions of men = go and preach;
results of Holy Spirit = taught and baptized

* preaching the gospel = baptizing *

Further, in that cited passage above (Mat. 28:19), it is WE who make yet another ASSUMPTION; we "just add water" i.e. we ASSUME that the "baptism" spoken of is of water!!!

Another assumption was that speaking in tongues was of the Holy Spirit whereas the reality is that the teachings of Jesus are of the Holy Spirit.

Other false assumptions: Torah worship; Moses worship; Paul worship.

* truth (teachings of Jesus) vs. false assumptions (e.g. water baptism) *

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh [e.g. water baptism and other traditions of men] profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life (John 6:63).

What Jesus taught is his true Holy Spirit. You cannot know the Holy Spirit of Jesus without having the words he spoke. People know Jesus' name and ancestry, but they don't know his teachings or beliefs. So they do not and cannot have his Spirit. But if I preach, I am covering/baptizing/immersing you in his Spirit. People receive the Holy Spirit every time they believe something Jesus said.

The Holy Spirit is not visible, as water or tongues is. Jesus told Nicodemus: the wind blows wherever; you hear it but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it's going. You can't put the wind (or the Spirit) in a box (or a font).

I praise God that I have been released from the karmic "rinse and repeat" cycle of water baptism.
 
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The first believers got it slightly wrong - water baptism is a trick, a test, built into the gospel.

Worldwide, churches of all shapes and sizes teach people to be baptized in water. It's hard to get two of them to agree on exactly how it's supposed to be done,
whether you baptize in the name of Jesus, or in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost;
whether you sprinkle or pour water on people, or dunk them in the water;
whether it's done in a pool inside a church, or in a river;
who does it;
what the person doing it needs to believe in order for it to be valid;
whether you tip the person backward, or forward, when putting them under the water;
how old the person needs to be before you can baptize them;
what to do if the person backslides after being baptized;
whether the Holy Spirit comes into a person before, during, or after the water baptism...

The list goes on and on. There have been more divisions in the church over water baptism than over any other teaching in the Holy Bible or out of it.

Paul is the first person to have seen through this confusion to the truth behind it.

People were arguing over who had baptized them. Paul had baptized only a small handful of people, but soon realized that Jesus never meant for us to baptize people in water:

For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chl-oe that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1 Cor. 1:11-17).

The understanding of baptism has been messed up and distorted from antiquity. The result has been not unlike the parable of the sower, where two different seeds were sown but only one produced fruit. And such rituals of men are easy to fake. There is something far more satisfying than being dunked in water. God says that he wants obedience more than sacrifice (1 Sam. 15:22).

Water baptism was a Jewish ritual, a Hebrew practice. There is nothing uniquely Christian about water baptism. The disciples did baptize in water, but Jesus did not do it (John 4:2). Water baptism is inconsistent with the Spirit of everything else that Jesus taught. Most of Jesus' enemies were circumcised; most were baptized!

...I [John] indeed baptize you [the multitude] with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire (Luke 3:16).

What of Jesus' baptism? John protested:

But John forbade [Jesus], saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? (Mat. 3:14).

Jesus was the perfect spotless Lamb of God; he didn't need his sins washed away. Rather, Jesus asked John to accommodate him, because it made sense for them "to fulfill all righteousness" (Mat. 3:15). So John went ahead and baptized Jesus. The end of the old, and the start of the new.

So what does "to fulfill all righteousness" mean?

Well, Jesus was born into a Jewish family; circumcised at 8 days of age; taken to the temple at 12 years of age; raised in all the disciplines of the Jewish religion. And now he does this one final Jewish ritual, marking the end of his Jewishness and the start of a deeper revelation.

Jesus came to replace, fulfill, render useless, the law of Moses:

The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it (Luke 16:16). Out with the old, in with the new.

There is only one Lord, one faith, and one baptism via the Holy Ghost!

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...(1 Cor. 12:13).


Water baptism is not what is being referred to here.

Context is everything. Here is the passage:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Mat. 28:18-20).

What are the action words in that passage (v. 19)?

There are only two action words = go and preach. When the disciples obey the commands to go and to preach, then the result is that people get baptized and taught. The disciples are NOT told to baptize anyone. Rather, baptizing is what takes place EVERY TIME someone receives the truth of what they preach.

So baptism is never a one-off. Baptizing happens to someone EVERY TIME he receives the truth.

To reprise:

And [Jesus] said unto [his disciples], Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized [in the Spirit, NOT water baptized] shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned [IOW, belief results in spiritual baptism unto salvation; unbelief results in damnation (water baptism is irrelevant)]...And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word [NOT with water baptisms] with signs following. Amen. (Mark 16:15-16, 20).

actions of men = go and preach;
results of Holy Spirit = taught and baptized

* preaching the gospel = baptizing *

Further, in that cited passage above (Mat. 28:19), it is WE who make yet another ASSUMPTION; we "just add water" i.e. we ASSUME that the "baptism" spoken of is of water!!!

Another assumption was that speaking in tongues was of the Holy Spirit whereas the reality is that the teachings of Jesus are of the Holy Spirit.

Other false assumptions: Torah worship; Moses worship; Paul worship.

* truth (teachings of Jesus) vs. false assumptions (e.g. water baptism) *

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh [e.g. water baptism and other traditions of men] profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life (John 6:63).

What Jesus taught is his true Holy Spirit. You cannot know the Holy Spirit of Jesus without having the words he spoke. People know Jesus' name and ancestry, but they don't know his teachings or beliefs. So they do not and cannot have his Spirit. But if I preach, I am covering/baptizing/immersing you in his Spirit. People receive the Holy Spirit every time they believe something Jesus said.

The Holy Spirit is not visible, as water or tongues is. Jesus told Nicodemus: the wind blows wherever; you hear it but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it's going. You can't put the wind (or the Spirit) in a box (or a font).

I praise God that I have been released from the karmic "rinse and repeat" cycle of water baptism.
And you. saying that. I got SLIGHTLY wrong. !!

Will you please explain Acts 1:5 ,just asking , please. !!

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And you. saying that. I got SLIGHTLY wrong. !!

Will you please explain Acts 1:5 ,just asking , please. !!

dan p
Please re-read my previous post; it is explained there with scripture, and in more than one way.

To further illustrate, here is your cited Acts 1 passage:

The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized [past tense] with water [out with the old]; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost [in with the new] not many days hence.... But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: [sans any "water baptism"] and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
 
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Please re-read my previous post; it is explained there with scripture, and in more than one way.

To further illustrate, here is your cited Acts 1 passage:

The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized [past tense] with water [out with the old]; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost [in with the new] not many days hence.... But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: [sans any "water baptism"] and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
# 1 I AM EXCITED. that you are excited , really. !

# 2. And 1 Cor 1:15 begins with the word , LEST. //. ME means in. the Greek , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , LEST

anyone should I HAD. BAPTIZED //. BAPTISO. , in my NAME , as all BAPTISM were done by the FATHER , THE SON. and

HOLY SPIRIT or IN. THE NAME of JESUS !!

# 3 The disciples were to BAPTIZED. // BAPTIZO IN. Matt 28:16

# 4. And the name Paul is my favorable. , because the HOLY SPIRIT. SAYS in. 1 Cor 11:1 , for you to IMITATE

me AND in. the Greek is EMPHATIC. meaning ONLY ME , just as am of CHRIST // CHRISTOS

# 5 EXPLAIN why Jesus was WATER BAPTIZED and what does to to fulfil. ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS. and what RIGHTEOSNESS

are you taking ABOUT ??

DAN P
 
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# 1 I AM EXCITED. that you are excited , really. !

# 2. And 1 Cor 1:15 begins with the word , LEST. //. ME means in. the Greek , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , LEST

anyone should I HAD. BAPTIZED //. BAPTISO. , in my NAME , as all BAPTISM were done by the FATHER , THE SON. and

HOLY SPIRIT or IN. THE NAME of JESUS !!

# 3 The disciples were to BAPTIZED. // BAPTIZO IN. Matt 28:16

# 4. And the name Paul is my favorable. , because the HOLY SPIRIT. SAYS in. 1 Cor 11:1 , for you to IMITATE

me AND in. the Greek is EMPHATIC. meaning ONLY ME , just as am of CHRIST // CHRISTOS

# 5 EXPLAIN why Jesus was WATER BAPTIZED and what does to to fulfil. ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS. and what RIGHTEOSNESS

are you taking ABOUT ??

DAN P
And you did not explain Acs 1:5 ?? and here to is !!

# 1. FOR //. HOTI. , is a CONJUNCTION

# 2. JOHN // IOANN , is in the Nominative Case , in. the Singular

# 3. TRULY // MEN , is a Disjunctive Particle

# 4. BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO. , in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE. , in the Singular

# 5 WITH WATER //. HYDOR. , is in the DATIVE CASE , in the Singular , in. the Neuter

# 6 BUT //. DE. , is a Conjuncation

# 7 YE // HYMEIS , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in. the Nominative Case , in. the Plural

# 8 SHALL BE BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO. , in. the Future Tense , in the Indicative Mood , in th e Plural

# 9 WITH // EH , is a Proposition

# 10 THE HOLY // HAGIOS. , in. the Dative Case , in the Signular , in. the NEUTER

# 11 SPIRIT //. PNEUMA , in the Singular , in. the Neuter

# 12 NOT // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 13 MANY // POLYS. , is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the Plural

# 14 DAYS //. HEMERA. , in. the Accusative Case , in. the Plural

# 15 HEMNCE // META. , is a Preposition

# 16 And Acts 1:5. took PLACE at Acts 2:38 , yes it did and some 40 years later Israel was set. ASIDE in Acts 28:25-28

And Acts 2:36 it was Israel that KILLED Christ .

dan p
 
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