Another look at the moon landing.

Apple Sky · Friday at 3:57 AM

Strong in Him said:
Reposting because you have never answered.

And now I have, see post above, please do not hesitate to ask me any more questions in your quest for the truth.

David Lamb · Friday at 4:19 AM

Apple Sky said:
There's three things here that God didn't create, the solar system, the planets & the Galaxies these have been falsified.

Planets are also called "Wandering stars." The very word "planet" comes from the Greek for "wandering star." Couldn't the wandering stars be included with the other stars? The solar system is the sun and the wandering stars and the earth. galaxies are groupings of stars.

Apple Sky said:
My view of God's creation is correct.

That sounds arrogant. I am sure you didn't mean to be arrogant.

Apple Sky said:
I don't have too as I can see perfectly well with my own two eyes.

But you cannot see the really distant stars with just your eyes.

Apple Sky said:
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Psalms 19:1
I do know this as it is on Wernher Von Brauns tombstone, do you think he was trying to tell us something ?

I don't know who caused the words to be on von Braun's gravestone, or whether they were trying to tell us something. I do know that God is telling us (because Psalm 19 is in His word) that the heavens do indeed declare God's glory and the firmament shows His handiwork. That is true whatever shape one believes the earth to be, whether or not the moon landings happened, and whether or not the firmament is a solid dome.

Apple Sky said:
Which God can name all.

Yes, of course He can. He created them, and He knows all things.

Apple Sky said:
Yes.

This is great if it's true.

Why shouldn't it be?

Strong in Him · Friday at 4:37 AM

Apple Sky said:
There's three things here that God didn't create, the solar system, the planets & the Galaxies these have been falsified.

John 1:3 says that God created everything - everything that exists was created by God.
Or don't you believe John's Gospel?

Apple Sky said:
My view of God's creation is correct.

Not even close.

Apple Sky said:
I don't have too as I can see perfectly well with my own two eyes.

There are many, many things that you can't see with your own eyes.

Besides, the Bible says we live by faith and not by sight.

Apple Sky said:
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Psalms 19:1

Yes, I told you that.

What I'm saying is that the heavens are far, far bigger than you are portraying. They are vast, and truly show God's glory and creative power.
Your vision is way too small because you reduce creation just to what you can see with your own eyes.

Apple Sky said:
Which God can name all.

And which God said Abraham would not be able to count.
I.e. there are far more of them than Abraham could even see.

Apple Sky said:
Yes.

Good.

Apple Sky said:
This is great if it's true.

It is true.
And you once said "sorry" to God for having doubted the astronauts.

Strong in Him · Friday at 4:38 AM

Apple Sky said:
And now I have, see post above, please do not hesitate to ask me any more questions in your quest for the truth.

Apple Sky · 2025-08-23T01:37:24-0500

Strong in Him said:
John 1:3 says that God created everything - everything that exists was created by God.

I agree so this must include the firmament or better known as the raqia.

The term "raqia" (or "raqiya") is the original Hebrew word for "firmament," which refers to the "expanse" or "solid surface" of the sky in biblical cosmology, as described in Genesis. This concept represented a solid dome separating the waters above and below.

If this is true then how the heck do these rockets get through.

King James Bible
And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. Ezekiel 1:22

David Lamb · 2025-08-23T01:43:56-0500

Apple Sky said:
I agree so this must include the firmament or better known as the raqia.

The term "raqia" (or "raqiya") is the original Hebrew word for "firmament," which refers to the "expanse" or "solid surface" of the sky in biblical cosmology, as described in Genesis. This concept represented a solid dome separating the waters above and below.

If this is true then how the heck do these rockets get through.

King James Bible
And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. Ezekiel 1:22

But as you yourself have just written, the Hebrew word translated "firmament" can mean "expanse" OR "solid surface." So it doesn't have to mean that the firmament is a solid dome. Besides, as I have mentioned to you before, why should rockets need to go through the firmament to reach the moon (for example)? The moon is not "the far side of the firmament", but "in the firmament", so why the need to go through it to reach the moon? Further, as I have mentioned before, the verse you quote tells us about the colour of the firmament, not whether it is solid or not: "the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal "

Apple Sky · 2025-08-23T01:55:52-0500

David Lamb said:
But as you yourself have just written, the Hebrew word translated "firmament" can mean "expanse" OR "solid surface." So it doesn't have to mean that the firmament is a solid dome

Look up the word ' Raqia ';

The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע), often translated as "firmament," refers to a solid, dome-like structure created by God on the second day of creation, separating the waters above from the waters below. It is described as a space that is stretched out and hammered into firmness.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-23T02:02:06-0500

Apple Sky said:
I agree

Good.
So your statement

Apple Sky said:
There's three things here that God didn't create, the solar system, the planets & the Galaxies

is untrue. There is nothing that wasn't created by God.

Apple Sky said:
so this must include the firmament or better known as the raqia.

Hardly anyone knows the Hebrew word "raqia" - the firmament, or expanse, is better known as the sky, Genesis 1:8.

Apple Sky said:
The term "raqia" (or "raqiya") is the original Hebrew word for "firmament," which refers to the "expanse" or "solid surface" of the sky in biblical cosmology, as described in Genesis.

Genesis does not say that the firmament is solid.

Apple Sky said:
If this is true then how the heck do these rockets get through.

a) it's not true.
b) the quote says "Biblical cosmology" - that means what people in Bible times believed about the universe, planets, stars and so on. As people didn't have any of the technology that we have today and had not explored/studied the universe they had no idea about the kind of things that we know now. It's the same in the NT. Jesus told the disciples to preach the Gospel; he didn't say "get on a plane", translate the Bible into Swahili, or get a computer and learn about digital evangelism". The Apostles had no idea these things would be possible.
c) you're wondering how a rocket, made from metal and travelling at a high speed can break through a solid firmament that isn't there?
If there was a solid thing up in the sky called a firmament, what is it supposed to be made of? Glass? Crystal? You don't think a rocket would be able to smash through that?

Apple Sky said:
King James Bible
And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. Ezekiel 1:22

So?
That talks about the colour of "the likeness of the firmament" - it does not say "the firmament is made of crystal."

David Lamb · 2025-08-23T02:04:03-0500

Apple Sky said:
Look up the word ' Raqia ';

The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע), often translated as "firmament," refers to a solid, dome-like structure created by God on the second day of creation, separating the waters above from the waters below. It is described as a space that is stretched out and hammered into firmness.

I have looked up the word. Strong's Concordance says:

"07549. raqiya [raw-kee -ah;] from 07554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky: firmament."

Thse NASB Hebrew Concordance says:

"07549. raqia (956a); from 07554; [an extended surface, expanse: ]

NAS-expanse (16), expanse of heaven (1)."

AnaHebrewEnglish Concise has:

7549 (17)
expanse (14)
heaven (2)
sky (1)

My Bible software program's concordance says that it can also mean a solid surface, but it seems clear from the other references that it does not have to. You yourself said in your previous post that the word can mean "expanse" or "a solid surface." Now you seem to be saying that it can only mean a solid surface.

One further point has just occurred to me: The disciples watched Jesus ascending. He didn't just ascend to what we call the sky, where birds and aeroplanes fly, or the moon. He ascended to heaven, the dwelling-place of God. We don't read that He had to perform a miracle to pass through a solid dome.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-23T02:14:26-0500

Apple Sky said:
Look up the word ' Raqia ';

The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע), often translated as "firmament," refers to a solid, dome-like structure created by God on the second day of creation,

Genesis doesn't say that.

Apple Sky said:
It is described as a space that is stretched out and hammered into firmness.

You can't "stretch out" a space.
Air cannot be "hammered into firmness".

Apple Sky · 2025-08-23T02:37:17-0500

Strong in Him said:
is untrue. There is nothing that wasn't created by God.

This would be true if they existed, the stars exist but not galaxies and planets as NASA describes, all's they show is composites of of the Uni - verse.

Strong in Him said:
You can't "stretch out" a space.
Air cannot be "hammered into firmness"

God did just that.

King James Bible
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע), often translated as "firmament," refers to a solid, dome-like structure created by God on the second day of creation, separating the waters above from the waters below. It is described as a space that is stretched out and hammered into firmness.

David Lamb · 2025-08-23T02:39:46-0500

Apple Sky said:
This would be true if they existed, the stars exist but not galaxies and planets as NASA describes, all's they show is composites of of the Uni - verse.

God did just that.

King James Bible
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע), often translated as "firmament," refers to a solid, dome-like structure created by God on the second day of creation, separating the waters above from the waters below. It is described as a space that is stretched out and hammered into firmness.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing, saying that The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע) must refer to a solid dome? Even you said in an earlier post that it can men "expanse."

Apple Sky · 2025-08-23T02:47:48-0500

David Lamb said:
One further point has just occurred to me: The disciples watched Jesus ascending. He didn't just ascend to what we call the sky, where birds and aeroplanes fly, or the moon. He ascended to heaven, the dwelling-place of God. We don't read that He had to perform a miracle to pass through a solid dome.

God (the divine Word) took on human flesh in Jesus, becoming both fully God and fully human in one person. He could perform what ever he wanted.

David Lamb · 2025-08-23T02:49:51-0500

Apple Sky said:
God (the divine Word) took on human flesh in Jesus, becoming both fully God and fully human in one person. He could perform what ever he wanted.

Of course He could. But the account says nothing about Him mysteriously passing through a solid dome. It just says that a cloud received Him out of the sight of the disciples.

Apple Sky · 2025-08-23T02:50:03-0500

David Lamb said:
Why do you keep repeating the same thing, saying that The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע) must refer to a solid dome?

Because it does.

Apple Sky · 2025-08-23T02:52:09-0500

David Lamb said:
Of course He could.

I know he could & he did just that.

David Lamb · 2025-08-23T02:53:05-0500

Apple Sky said:
Because it does.

But that goes against what your wrote earlier: "the original Hebrew word for "firmament," which refers to the "expanse" or "solid surface" Now you say it can't mean one or the other, as you said before, and as the reference books and concordances also say. Now you say it must mean a solid dome. It doesn't have to - it can also mean "expanse.".

Apple Sky · 2025-08-23T03:07:33-0500

David Lamb said:
But that goes against what your wrote earlier: "the original Hebrew word for "firmament," which refers to the "expanse" or "solid surface" Now you say it can't mean one or the other, as you said before, and as the reference books and concordances also say. Now you say it must mean a solid dome. It doesn't have to - it can also mean "expanse.".

I'll go with the truth which is God's word.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-23T03:21:46-0500

Apple Sky said:
This would be true if they existed, the stars exist but not galaxies and planets as NASA describes,

They do exist. Planets are wandering stars, that is what the word means. You have been told this before.
Anyway, planets were not something that NASA invented - NASA was only set up in 1958.

Apple Sky said:
The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע), often translated as "firmament," refers to a solid, dome-like structure created by God on the second day of creation, separating the waters above from the waters below. It is described as a space that is stretched out and hammered into firmness.

This is the bit which is not in Genesis.
God did not stretch out a space, neither can a space be hammered.

You don't believe space exists, anyway.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-23T03:25:09-0500

Apple Sky said:
I'll go with the truth which is God's word.

Yes, it is.
But the interpretation is yours.

And there is a big difference between reading the Bible, learning what was said in the original language, the style of writing used and what those receiving it would have understood by those words, and reading a particular translation of the Bible in English and taking every word to be literal.

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