Another look at the moon landing.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 2:40 AM

David Lamb said:
So now you seem to be accusing your fellow Christians not only of lying, but of doing so for monetary gain. You also seem to be suggesting that somebody threatened the Christian astronauts' families if they (the astronauts) said that they hadn't really been to the moon. But once again, you have provided no evidence, either of Christians astronauts lying for monetary gain, or of anybody threatening their families.

NASA's not going to admit too it are they ?

David Lamb · Thursday at 2:41 AM

Apple Sky said:
NASA's not going to admit too it are they ?

I didn't mention NASA. I asked you what evidence you have that the Christian astronauts lied for money, or that somebody was threatening their families if they didn't lie.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 2:51 AM

David Lamb said:
I didn't mention NASA. I asked you what evidence you have that the Christian astronauts lied for money, or that somebody was threatening their families if they didn't lie.

You asked me what evidence I have, I have none as the astronauts are not going to jeopardize these reasons are they ?
And NASA certainly wont as per.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 2:53 AM

Strong in Him said:
Evidence?

None see post above.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 2:54 AM

Apple Sky said:
NASA's not going to admit too it are they ?

It's got nothing to do with NASA.
YOU implied that men lied about walking on the moon because of money or threats made to their families. You should provide evidence, otherwise it's just a baseless allegation.
So, what evidence have you got that Christian astronauts were either being paid to say that they walked on the moon or had their families threatened and feared violence unless they claimed that they went into space and walked on the moon?

Strong in Him · Thursday at 2:54 AM

Apple Sky said:
None see post above.

Exactly.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 2:59 AM

Apple Sky said:
You asked me what evidence I have, I have none as the astronauts are not going to jeopardize these reasons are they ?
And NASA certainly wont as per.

"As per".
You know nothing whatsoever about NASA - you just throw out random accusations, knowing that you can't prove them. The whole thing's a "cover up" or "a lie" by all 17,000 NASA employees.

This is what conspiracy theories do to people - rob them of common sense and independent thought.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 3:00 AM

Strong in Him said:
Exactly.

Like I said they are never going to admit to these reasons OR else.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 3:08 AM

Strong in Him said:
This is what conspiracy theories do to people - rob them of common sense and independent thought.

Actually it's quite the opposite, what conspiracies theories do is wake one up to the truth.
They may not always get it right but on this occasion they are.

David Lamb · Thursday at 4:34 AM

Apple Sky said:
You asked me what evidence I have, I have none as the astronauts are not going to jeopardize these reasons are they ?
And NASA certainly wont as per.

So with no evidence, as you yourself admit, you accuse fellow Christians of lying to make money, and accuse somebody of threatening astronauts' families. Yet you repeatedly expect those of us who do believe that the moon landings happened to provide you with evidence that they did.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 5:36 AM

David Lamb said:
Yet you repeatedly expect those of us who do believe that the moon landings happened to provide you with evidence that they did.

Not at all............ Evidence proves they didn't go to the moon.

David Lamb · Thursday at 6:01 AM

Apple Sky said:
Not at all............

Well, here is your answer to Strong in Him, who had said that there is real evidence that men went to the moon:

"Gimme some & I don't want testimonies I want some real proof that they went.".

In answer to a post from me, you wrote:

"OK show me proof that earth orbits the sun or that the moon doesn't give off her own light & show me proof that earth moves.
If you can give me proof of these three things I may just start to believe.

And when I say proof I mean real proof not something out of a text book or is hearsay."

In answer to a post from Phil G. you wrote:

"And where exactly is Dean's abuse of scripture, do you have proof of this ?"

In an answer to a post from Trophy33, you wrote:

"What I'd like to see is proof that the earth orbits the sun."

Answering my question: "What sort of proof are you asking for?" you wrote:

"A video, real pictures of a rotating globe."

And so I could go on. So you cannot claim that you do "not at all" ask for evidence or proof from those who disagree with you.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 6:18 AM

David Lamb said:
So you cannot claim that you do "not at all" ask for evidence or proof from those who disagree with you.

So ......

David Lamb · Thursday at 6:22 AM

Apple Sky said:
So ......

So..... you saying "Not at all" was wrong.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 8:38 AM

Apple Sky said:
Like I said they are never going to admit to these reasons OR else.

But you've no evidence of anything - so why in the world would anyone listen to, or believe, you?

Apple Sky · Thursday at 9:07 AM

Strong in Him said:
But you've no evidence of anything - so why in the world would anyone listen to, or believe, you?

Because us conspiracy theorist as you like to call us, know what NASA is like & what they'll do at any cost to keep their agendas believable.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 9:10 AM

Apple Sky said:
Actually it's quite the opposite, what conspiracies theories do is wake one up to the truth.

I've no doubt that's what you've been told, but it's incorrect.

1. Meaning of conspiracy:

1.a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful: 2. the action of plotting or conspiring:

the activity of secretly planning with other people to do something bad or illegal:

. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

It's not illegal to tell people that men didn't walk on the moon when they did, but it's not true. And if there were any chance that money was being made from stating a lie, that would be wrong.
It's also wrong on these forums as some of us have been told that we don't have the truth, we are being, or will be, deceived, we are posting here just for attention, and much more besides.

2. The KJV itself backs the meaning of conspiracy: 2 Samuel 15:12, 2 Kings 12:20, 2 Kings 15:15, Jeremiah 11:9., for example. In each case there was a plot to do someone harm. The word conspiracy also means "plot" and suggests something secret and underhand - eg conspiring to pervert the course of justice, conspiring to kill someone, blow up parliament, etc. If something is done sneakily or in secret, it is likely to be untrue.

3. You have previously been adamant in your statements that gravity is only a theory - something that is untrue; an idea. Yet conspiracy theories and apparently not ideas but are true. At best, that is a double standard.

Apple Sky said:
They may not always get it right but on this occasion they are.

You're saying that they're right because "they" are saying something that agrees with your beliefs.
And if conspiracy theories "wake one upto the truth", they either have to do it all the time, or not at all. They can't sometimes be about truth but sometimes not; nobody would know what they could trust.

As it happens it's easy - we can't trust any of them.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 9:21 AM

Apple Sky said:
Because us conspiracy theorist as you like to call us,

You have said yourself that you are addicted to conspiracy theories; all these posts are in the conspiracy theries section of the forum so yes, you are a conspiracy theorist.

Apple Sky said:
know what NASA is like

No you don't.
You are speaking of NASA as though it is one person only. NASA employ thousands of highly trained scientists from several countries. Scientists are concerned only with facts - not with theories, plots, beliefs or trying to cover stuff up. They experiment - if the experiment is successful; great. If not, they can learn just as much from the failure.
You have no idea who is in NASA, their names, qualifications, what they are trying to do/discover, etc. You see an organisation which opposes your belief - because they have proved that it is not true - therefore "they" are the enemy.

Apple Sky said:
& what they'll do at any cost to keep their agendas believable.

Rubbish.

What is their agenda, then?
Why would they risk their scientific integrity by trying to cover something up, threaten astronaut's families or pay astronauts to say that they never went to the moon?
Why would they - who know way more about science than you ever will - want to "keep their agendas believable"?

Apple Sky · Thursday at 9:38 AM

Strong in Him said:
The KJV itself backs the meaning of conspiracy: 2 Samuel 15:12, 2 Kings 12:20, 2 Kings 15:15, Jeremiah 11:9., for example. In each case there was a plot to do someone harm. The word conspiracy also means "plot" and suggests something secret and underhand - eg conspiring to pervert the course of justice, conspiring to kill someone, blow up parliament, etc. If something is done sneakily or in secret, it is likely to be untrue.

There's a difference between plotting & a theory. Conspiracy Theorists are just that theorists.

Strong in Him said:
No you don't.

Yes I do

I've read believable stories that would make yer hair curl.

Strong in Him said:
What is their agenda, then?

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

I can see your using all the 'W's' well.
Who, what, when & why.

Herman Hedning · Thursday at 9:55 AM

Why are you so hung up on NASA @Apple Sky? The communication between the Apollo crews and ground control was closely monitored from all over the world. And if there was even the slightest possibility that any of that was fake, do you really think that the Soviet space agency (among others) wouldn't have cried foul immediately? And yes, it is possible to detect that the signals were coming from the moon and not from somewhere on earth.

Also three retroreflectors were left on the moon by Apollo 11, 14, and 15 as well as two by the unmanned Lunokhod missions and one by India's Chandrayaan mission. These are used in Lunar Laser Ranging experiments by reflecting pulsed laser light sent from earth and measuring the time it takes for it to get back. LLR experiments have been performed by many different parties, primarily observatories but also many universities and even high schools. That I would call proof positive that we actually have been to the moon.

Can you explain this, @Apple Sky?

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