Illegal Immigration

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 4:18 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
Basically if they’re an upstanding citizen in every way except for their legal status then we should give them a pathway to citizenship.

Like how communists infiltrated the us government over decades ? They 'acted' nice, until activated !

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 4:19 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
A person who loves would let that person in, even in front of them.

A person who obeys would not let the law-breakers in that way.

HARK! · Wednesday at 4:20 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
A person who loves would let that person in, even in front of them.

Surely you don't believe that it is loving to let murderers and child rapists in before those who have worked so hard for years to do things right?

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 4:21 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
No. There’s no law that says they have to be as cruel as they’re going about it now.

It's difficult enough to deal with the law-breakers.

Wouldn't it be nice if all the law-breakers would willingly leave without committing more crime !?

Maria Billingsley · Wednesday at 4:34 PM

BeckyJ said:
We can love strangers while not breaking the law.
How many of these illegal entrants have you allowed to come onto your property or in your home and stay with you as long as they want?
That is what it's like when Biden allowed millions in illegally.
If any of us came onto your property or in your home illegally, I'm pretty sure you would have the authorities remove us.
That too is what it is like when ICE is trying to remove illegal entrants and send them back home.

So typical to respond in this manner......

"How many of these illegal entrants have you allowed to come onto your property or in your home and stay with you as long as they want?"

It is a good way to shut down a reasonable , truthful and honest conversation. Anyway, I am going to ovetlook it because it defeats any possibility of getting to the truth of the matter.

In full disclosure...

Everyone in my family on my mother's side is an immigrant from Cuba. All of them fled the Castro regime, one even tried to swim for freedom but was caught and thrown into prison. My mother and father single handedly brought the family over one by one. Some came through illegal channels, some came on a Visa. What they all did was claim asylum then became US citizens. This is how it was , until now.

But what mostly erks me is the hypocrisy.
This country heavily relies on immigrant labor. But I'm rather weary defending my position to those who do not see or know the value of those who are the backbone of this country.

Thanks for engaging.

Maria Billingsley · Wednesday at 4:34 PM

HARK! said:
Surely you don't believe that it is loving to let murderers and child rapists in before those who have worked so hard for years to do things right?

Oh please, this is so unbelievable.
Thanks for sharing.

HARK! · Wednesday at 4:37 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
Oh please, this is so unbelievable.

Then what in the world are you talking about?

As unbelievable as this might seem; it seemed like you were promoting greater privileges to lawless, than to the law abiding.

Vambram · Wednesday at 4:42 PM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
If all undocumented immigrants are deported from the USA, what happens next? Will that solve the problem?

A subsequent president may choose a different approach. President Biden granted temporary status to over 500,000 individuals, which is allowed under presidential authority. President Trump revoked temporary status, which is also permitted by law.

Are we going to do this every four years.

I understand the reasons some conservatives are skeptical of immigration policy and hesitant to support any form of amnesty or pathway to citizenship. When President Reagan granted amnesty to three million undocumented individuals, it was with the understanding that Congress would subsequently reform immigration laws, secure the border, and implement measures to prevent illegal entry or visa overstays.

However, none of this has occurred. Instead, over the past 40 years, political actions have dominated, with immigration frequently used as a political tool during elections.

The question is, if all undocumented immigrants were to be deported—assuming that is even logistically possible—what would be the next steps?

What steps should we take to ensure that we are not in the same position thirty years from now?

We should strengthen immigration laws and asylum laws so that we don't have another influx of waves of illegal immigrants.

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 4:44 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
What they all did was claim asylum then became US citizens. This is how it was , until now.

Disclosing that someone came into this country illegally, on an open-to-the-world forum, might not be wise.
But
fwiw, what they all did was claim asylum then became us citizens, right ? i.e. LEGAL citizens, not illegal criminals.

HARK! · Wednesday at 4:45 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
This country heavily relies on immigrant labor.

..and that is fine when it is done legally.

When it is not; it opens up the door to human trafficking, or sub par wages, which in essence amounts to slavery.

durangodawood · Wednesday at 5:03 PM

BeckyJ said:
Twisting what was said because what was said didn't fit the narrative is not a good call.
This post is about ILLEGAL immigration.
The US isn't the savior of illegal entrants.
That doesn't mean immigrants aren't welcomed here. of course all of them are, if they come the legal route.
I have some friends who have done so and even they don't agree with what the Biden administration did in allowing millions in illegally.

Im not twisting anything because Im asking if thats what you meant when you said "isn't God able to meet their needs if they are legit right where they are or even in another country."

This idea of God meeting peoples needs sounds like a general principle. Is it? Or does it just apply where immigration is concerned? And if its just about immigration, where did you get that idea?

BeckyJ · Wednesday at 5:31 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
So typical to respond in this manner......
"How many of these illegal entrants have you allowed to come onto your property or in your home and stay with you as long as they want?"
It is a good way to shut down a reasonable , truthful and honest conversation. Anyway, I am going to ovetlook it because it defeats any possibility of getting to the truth of the matter.
In full disclosure...
Everyone in my family on my mother's side is an immigrant from Cuba. All of them fled the Castro regime, one even tried to swim for freedom but was caught and thrown into prison. My mother and father single handedly brought the family over one by one. Some came through illegal channels, some came on a Visa. What they all did was claim asylum then became US citizens. This is how it was , until now.
But what mostly erks me is the hypocrisy.
This country heavily relies on immigrant labor. But I'm rather weary defending my position to those who do not see or know the value of those who are the backbone of this country.

""How many of these illegal entrants have you allowed to come onto your property or in your home and stay with you as long as they want?"
It is a good way to shut down a reasonable , truthful and honest conversation. Anyway, I am going to ovetlook it because it defeats any possibility of getting to the truth of the matter."
No, you just don't want to say what you would do in part due to your "full disclosure". So your reply is what is typical of those who have a dog in the fight so to speak.
This post isn't about immigrants from your parent's day...this post is about recent, in the 4 years of Biden illegal immigrants, some who are criminals.
You "overlooking" is just you not wanting to have an truthful and honest convo about the Biden illegal immigrants.
The hypocrisy is that you speak about your parents situation and I'm sure they are wonderful people, but they aren't from the same time and where the Biden illegal immigrants is in that they are pawns in the Left leanings plans and criminals allowed in like rapists, murderers, etc have come in with a welcome mat laid out for them by the Biden admin. Breaking the law out of one side of their mouth and then on the other side they would say "no one is above the law". But we know they only mean that for those who lean Right, not themselves.

So now that I've established that this post is about the current day illegal entrants and not from your parent's time, you should have no problem honestly answering these questions in my last comment...
We can love strangers while not breaking the law.
- How many of these illegal entrants have you allowed to come onto your property or in your home and stay with you as long as they want?
That is what it's like when Biden allowed millions in illegally.
- If any of us came onto your property or in your home illegally, I'm pretty sure you would have the authorities remove us. Correct?
That too is what it is like when ICE is trying to remove illegal entrants and send them back home.

If you want to really have "a reasonable , truthful and honest conversation" then it should be no problem to answer the questions about the Biden illegal entrants. All of it, yes the parts you may not like, are part of a reasonable, truthful, honest convo

BeckyJ · Wednesday at 5:35 PM

durangodawood said:
Im not twisting anything because Im asking if thats what you meant when you said "isn't God able to meet their needs if they are legit right where they are or even in another country."

This idea of God meeting peoples needs sounds like a general principle. Is it? Or does it just apply where immigration is concerned? And if its just about immigration, where did you get that idea?

Is He not able to meet their needs right where they are?
The US isn't the savior. Yet the Left leaning act like it is.
There are so many Biblical accounts of people in horrible situations and God is there for them. Think of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

durangodawood · Wednesday at 5:46 PM

BeckyJ said:
Is He not able to meet their needs right where they are?
The US isn't the savior. Yet the Left leaning act like it is.
There are so many Biblical accounts of people in horrible situations and God is there for them. Think of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

So if we see someone in a Shadrach situation, we can keep on walking and not make an effort because we've learned the lesson that God will take care of them? He is able to meet their needs.

Im not trying to rhetorically trap you or anything. it just sounds like thats precisely what youre saying.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 5:50 PM

HARK! said:
..and that is fine when it is done legally.

When it is not; it opens up the door to human tracking, or sub par wages, which in essence amounts to slavery.

Which are the illegal immigrants that Trump is letting alone, except for a few show raids.

public hermit · Wednesday at 6:01 PM

BeckyJ said:
No He wasn't.
He always had a home that God could have snapped His fingers and He'd be there with His Father.
This earth wasn't His home, so He wasn't a "displaced immigrant".
That's some "progressive" religion like talk

Jesus was an unwelcomed foreigner the whole time he was here, even more so than as an immigrant child in Egypt. Hospitality to strangers and the unwelcomed is an essential virtue for Godly people. How you treat the least of these is how you treat me, Jesus said.

Yes, let us enforce the law but do so in the most humane way possible, especially in this case. Many people trying to come here are desperate for a better life. We should understand wanting a good life.

What's inhumane is deporting folks who have been here awhile, have families, are working, and have no criminal record. There is a much better way. Deporting teenagers who are not doing anything is simply obscene. As a citizen and a Christian, I find the callous nature of current deportations appalling.

HARK! · Wednesday at 6:01 PM

BCP1928 said:
Which are the illegal immigrants that Trump is letting alone, except for a few show raids.

Right now this Administration is going after the worst of the worst; but they are working very hard to save the children that the Biden Administration allowed to be put into bondage.

Trump admin hunts down 13K migrant kids after Biden admin lost track of 320K: ‘Children are being saved

Trump admin hunts down 13K migrant kids after Biden admin lost track of 320K: ‘Children are being saved’

“By leaving our borders open and even encouraging people to come here illegally, Biden enabled the largest human-trafficking operation in modern history,” Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem sa…

nypost.com

I agree that this Administration is not doing enough, fast enough; but some on the Left will never be happy.

I'm thankful that at least some law and order is being restored in the wake of the Anarchy that the last Administration thrust onto us.

BeckyJ · Wednesday at 6:06 PM

public hermit said:
Jesus was an unwelcomed foreigner the whole time he was here, even more so than as an immigrant child in Egypt. Hospitality to strangers and the unwelcomed is an essential virtue for Godly people. How you treat the least of these is how you treat me, Jesus said.

Yes, let us enforce the law but do so in the most humane way possible, especially in this case. Many people trying to come here are desperate for a better life. We should understand wanting a good life.

What's inhumane is deporting folks who have been here awhile, have families, are working, and have no criminal record. There is a much better way. Deporting teenagers who are not doing anything is simply obscene. As a citizen and a Christian, I find the callous nature of current deportations appalling.

"..who have been here awhile"
This post is about the recent 4 years of Biden.

public hermit · Wednesday at 6:12 PM

BeckyJ said:
"..who have been here awhile"
This post is about the recent 4 years of Biden.

You asked, and I answered. I said it should be done in the most humane way possible. Do you disagree?

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 6:15 PM

public hermit said:
Yes, let us enforce the law but do so in the most humane way possible, especially in this case. Many people trying to come here are desperate for a better life. We should understand wanting a good life.

Wanting a good life is necessary to stop (or at least recognize and if possible deal with) those who were simply paid to leave their home-countries to get to the usa for a "hidden agenda" no matter what it was/is.

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