Illegal Immigration

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 2:19 PM

HARK! said:
The laws are already on the books. You pose an intriguing question. How do we address an Administration that is derelict in their duty to uphold the law, and protect the American people?

The law presented in the book involves multiple complexities. Refer to my post #5 for further details. The asylum law discussed adds additional layers to immigration law. Stating that the law is already established and should be followed does not take into account a thorough evaluation of all relevant laws.

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 2:21 PM

Vambram said:
The millions of illegal immigrants should be deported.

BeckyJ said:
Yes they should!!

@BeckyJ question to ponder .... no answer required ...
Should all idolators be deported ?
(if they do not turn from their wicked ways and start to seek God)
(Many are already 'legal' citizens.)

BeckyJ · Wednesday at 2:21 PM

Aaron112 said:
If the usa deported everyone, there'd be no sinners in the usa, eh? Think a minute on this - God does not deport anyone from the new heavens or the new earth ! He simply does not ever let them in, whom He has not invited in. God's "politics" (as if, or so-called) is not at all like sinful man's politics, right?

This isn't about "sinners".
God has a wall, an entrance requirement. If a person doesn't meet His requirement, they don't get inot Heaven, no matter how nice or needy they may be.
Breaking the law for political gain isn't something that God approves of.
And isn't God able to take care of the millions who came in illegally, presuming they are in real need, though some are criminals coming it, but isn't God able to meet their needs if they are legit right where they are or even in another country with less strict immigration laws?
Yes, yes He is. The US isn't the savior, only Jesus Christ is!

DaisyDay · Wednesday at 2:24 PM

BeckyJ said:
"Biden was not letting people come in illegally."
Yes he did, by the millions.
Jesus Christ was not a displaced immigrant

He was for a time with Joseph and Mary when they fled to Egypt.

BeckyJ · Wednesday at 2:27 PM

DaisyDay said:
He was for a time with Joseph and Mary when they fled to Egypt.

No He wasn't.
He always had a home that God could have snapped His fingers and He'd be there with His Father.
This earth wasn't His home, so He wasn't a "displaced immigrant".
That's some "progressive" religion like talk

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 2:28 PM

BeckyJ said:
And isn't God able to take care of the millions who came in illegally, presuming they are in real need, though some are criminals coming it, but isn't God able to meet their needs if they are legit right where they are or even in another country with less strict immigration laws?

What is important ?
Certainly God sends the rain and the sunshine for the unrighteous as well as for the righteous - He is no respecter of persons (few realize this).
Yet the criminals , legal or illegal, and even non-criminals (in man's view), have been causing great destruction (in the whole world, not only in the usa). THe massive influx and increase in idolatry (sin) in the usa is what we in the usa have seen , whether we approve of idolatry or sin or not. No known way to stop it nor to reverse it, per se. (humanly speaking! ..... God certainly can answer prayers for help to save us from the sin and temptations)

HARK! · Wednesday at 2:30 PM

DaisyDay said:
He was for a time with Joseph and Mary when they fled to Egypt.

I doubt that they broke in illegally.

(CLV) Ro 13:1
Let every soul be subject to the superior authorities, for there is not authority except under God. Now those which are, have been set under God,

(CLV) Ro 13:2
so that he who is resisting an authority has withstood God's mandate. Now those who have withstood, will be getting judgment for themselves,

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 2:31 PM

web"Displaced immigrant"

"The term "displaced immigrant" is not a standard legal or technical classification, as the concepts of "displacement" and "immigration" describe different motivations for moving. A displaced person is someone who has been forced to leave their home due to conflict, violence, persecution, or disaster, and this can occur either within their own country (internally displaced person, IDP) or across an international border. An immigrant, on the other hand, is someone who moves to a foreign country with the intention of settling there, typically for reasons like work, education, or family reunification, and not primarily because they are fleeing danger.
However, the term can be used to describe an individual who has been forcibly displaced and subsequently moves to another country to settle. This person might first be classified as an internally displaced person (IDP) if they remain within their home country, or as a refugee if they cross an international border and are recognized as such under international law. If they then decide to settle permanently in a new country, they may also be considered an immigrant. It is important to note that a displaced person who crosses an international border without permission or without applying for asylum may be considered an illegal immigrant."

GoldenBoy89 · Wednesday at 2:34 PM

BeckyJ said:
As to the conditions, the ones Obama had people in in his detention centers in the top picture are worse than what the current administration has going...
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Trumps detention centers are empty? I’m not sure what you’re comparing here.

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 2:35 PM

Romans 13
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing.

He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 2:37 PM

HARK! said:
Enforcing the law is not cruel. It's compassionate.

Here are a couple of examples:

1. A person is here on a student visa and you want to deport him. You can tell him that his visa is being revoked and he needs to go home, or you can cancel his visa without telling him and arrest him for a criminal visa overstay. Which is more compassionate?
2. A person is here waiting for his asylum hearing. He thinks he is here legally, so when you notify him of a fake asylum hearing he shows up and you arrest him. Is that compassionate?

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 2:41 PM

Vambram said:
The millions of illegal immigrants should be deported.

If all undocumented immigrants are deported from the USA, what happens next? Will that solve the problem?

A subsequent president may choose a different approach. President Biden granted temporary status to over 500,000 individuals, which is allowed under presidential authority. President Trump revoked temporary status, which is also permitted by law.

Are we going to do this every four years.

I understand the reasons some conservatives are skeptical of immigration policy and hesitant to support any form of amnesty or pathway to citizenship. When President Reagan granted amnesty to three million undocumented individuals, it was with the understanding that Congress would subsequently reform immigration laws, secure the border, and implement measures to prevent illegal entry or visa overstays.

However, none of this has occurred. Instead, over the past 40 years, political actions have dominated, with immigration frequently used as a political tool during elections.

The question is, if all undocumented immigrants were to be deported—assuming that is even logistically possible—what would be the next steps?

What steps should we take to ensure that we are not in the same position thirty years from now?

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 2:45 PM

Aaron112 said:
Romans 13
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing.

He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.

Applying Romans 13 suggests we shouldn't change laws or policies set by the Biden administration, since God appointed him as President.

Or

The next president, regardless of who is elected, will have the authority to change any or all of President Trump's policies, after all the next President will also be appointed by God.

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 2:49 PM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Applying Romans 13 suggests we shouldn't change laws or policies set by the Biden administration, since God appointed him as President.

Or

The next president, regardless of who is elected, will have the authority to change any or all of President Trump's policies, after all the next President will also be appointed by God.

No. Do not as if possible try to apply what the Bible says to life as we are living it. Everything is not only upside down today, but everything (practically) is harmful - pernicious (re Galatians) - and surviving is by sheer grace of the Creator through Jesus the Messiah.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 2:52 PM

Aaron112 said:
No. Do not as if possible try to apply what the Bible says to life as we are living it. Everything is not only upside down today, but everything (practically) is harmful - pernicious (re Galatians) - and surviving is by sheer grace of the Creator through Jesus the Messiah.

Does Romans 13 apply to President Biden and his administration?

DaisyDay · Wednesday at 2:57 PM

BeckyJ said:
No He wasn't.
He always had a home that God could have snapped His fingers and He'd be there with His Father.

Perhaps God could've, but He didn't. They were without authorization to be in Egypt, where they'd fled for safety.

BeckyJ said:
This earth wasn't His home, so He wasn't a "displaced immigrant".

If this earth wasn't His home, that would make Him a foreigner His entire earthly life.

BeckyJ said:
That's some "progressive" religion like talk

Whatever you do for the least of men, you do for me. What does that mean?

DaisyDay · Wednesday at 2:58 PM

HARK! said:
I doubt that they broke in illegally.

(CLV) Ro 13:1
Let every soul be subject to the superior authorities, for there is not authority except under God. Now those which are, have been set under God,

(CLV) Ro 13:2
so that he who is resisting an authority has withstood God's mandate. Now those who have withstood, will be getting judgment for themselves,

What, you think they got a visa?

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 2:59 PM

That is soooo wroooong !

Aaron112 · Wednesday at 3:00 PM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Does Romans 13 apply to President Biden and his administration?

Did any president obey God and His Commandments or His Instructions or His Word ?

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 3:03 PM

BeckyJ said:
"Biden was not letting people come in illegally."
Yes he did, by the millions.
Jesus Christ was not a displaced immigrant

At the time of Jesus' birth, Egypt was a Roman province. Roman law prohibited non-citizens from traveling or relocating between provinces without appropriate authorization. While Joseph and Mary did not contravene immigration laws—such laws did not exist in the Roman Empire—they nonetheless violated Roman regulations by moving from one province to another without obtaining the required permission.

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