Illegal Immigration

BeckyJ · Wednesday at 11:00 AM

The US isn't the only country with immigration laws.
Some other countries that have immigration laws are: United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Germany, Norway, Hungary, Japan and France.
Some countries immigration laws are more strict than in the US and some are less strict. Either way, there are entrance laws in various countries.
If I go into one of these countries illegally, I can expect to be deported. So I have no problem that the US is deporting illegal entrants.
I have several friends who came to the US the legal way. None of them support the illegal entry the Biden administration allowed and yes, some are democrat.
If you come here legally, you're welcome here
Note: Even God has an entrance requirement. No one will be able to get into Heaven without meeting that requirement.

Are you ok with millions of illegal entrants the Biden administration let in during his 4 yr term...or should they be deported?

Maria Billingsley · Wednesday at 11:09 AM

BeckyJ said:
Even God has an entrance requirement.

Yes He does have a requirement and here it is:

Leviticus 19:33-34: "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, you must not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Deuteronomy 10:19: "And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt."

An inconvenient truth.

Be blessed.

BeckyJ · Wednesday at 11:27 AM

Maria Billingsley said:
Yes He does have a requirement and here it is:

Leviticus 19:33-34: "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, you must not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Deuteronomy 10:19: "And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt."

An inconvenient truth.

Be blessed.

Not the requirement I'm referring to as you know Im sure.
The OT verses are for those who enter a country legally.
It is not biblical to violate a law to achieve a possible “good.”
Gods word teaches to obey the laws of the land. Rom 13.
If you don't like a law, then do everything legally within your power to get the law changed.
Until then, it is a law and should be obeyed.
An inconvenient truth. Be blessed.

Belk · Wednesday at 11:54 AM

BeckyJ said:
The US isn't the only country with immigration laws.
Some other countries that have immigration laws are: United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Germany, Norway, Hungary, Japan and France.
Some countries immigration laws are more strict than in the US and some are less strict. Either way, there are entrance laws in various countries.
If I go into one of these countries illegally, I can expect to be deported. So I have no problem that the US is deporting illegal entrants.
I have several friends who came to the US the legal way. None of them support the illegal entry the Biden administration allowed and yes, some are democrat.
If you come here legally, you're welcome here
Note: Even God has an entrance requirement. No one will be able to get into Heaven without meeting that requirement.

Are you ok with millions of illegal entrants the Biden administration let in during his 4 yr term...or should they be deported?

<Looks at the current administration deporting people here legally>

Do tell.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 11:59 AM

BeckyJ said:
The US isn't the only country with immigration laws.
Some other countries that have immigration laws are: United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Germany, Norway, Hungary, Japan and France.
Some countries immigration laws are more strict than in the US and some are less strict. Either way, there are entrance laws in various countries.
If I go into one of these countries illegally, I can expect to be deported. So I have no problem that the US is deporting illegal entrants.
I have several friends who came to the US the legal way. None of them support the illegal entry the Biden administration allowed and yes, some are democrat.
If you come here legally, you're welcome here
Note: Even God has an entrance requirement. No one will be able to get into Heaven without meeting that requirement.

Are you ok with millions of illegal entrants the Biden administration let in during his 4 yr term...or should they be deported?

Here is the law

8 USC 1158: Asylum

"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title."

According to this law, anyone may enter the United States and seek asylum, regardless of their method of entry. Until an asylum request is denied, applicants possess temporary legal status. While other laws state that entering the United States without a visa constitutes a felony, current procedures provide that any individual who enters—legally or illegally—and seeks asylum is granted temporary legal status during the process. Due to a shortage of judges to expedite these asylum cases, it may take up to ten years for an asylum application to be accepted or rejected. During this extended period, many applicants establish roots in the United States.

To address unauthorized entry by undocumented immigrants while maintaining a pathway for legal immigration, one approach could be to update current laws so that asylum seekers are required to apply for U.S. asylum from their native country or a neighboring country. Implementing such a change may reduce the number of undocumented immigrants crossing the border.

However, updating or amending existing laws is a substantive process rather than political theatre. As a result Democrats and Republicans tend to engage in debates over issues such as border walls, deportation, and open borders, often without enacting meaningful measures that would actually discourage foreign nationals from risking crossing the U.S. border.

HARK! · Wednesday at 12:00 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
Yes He does have a requirement and here it is:

Leviticus 19:33-34: "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, you must not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Are you quoting the "Old Covenant" Law?

Is obedience to the Torah still a requirement to enter Yah's kingdom?

By the way, the word is גר. Do you know what a גר is? "Foreigner" is a very poor translation.

Say it aint so · Wednesday at 12:05 PM

BeckyJ said:
The US isn't the only country with immigration laws.
Some other countries that have immigration laws are: United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Germany, Norway, Hungary, Japan and France.
Some countries immigration laws are more strict than in the US and some are less strict. Either way, there are entrance laws in various countries.
If I go into one of these countries illegally, I can expect to be deported. So I have no problem that the US is deporting illegal entrants.
I have several friends who came to the US the legal way. None of them support the illegal entry the Biden administration allowed and yes, some are democrat.
If you come here legally, you're welcome here
Note: Even God has an entrance requirement. No one will be able to get into Heaven without meeting that requirement.

Are you ok with millions of illegal entrants the Biden administration let in during his 4 yr term...or should they be deported?

Biden was not letting people come in illegally. Did he open the asylum process allowing groups like Haitians, Ukrainians, Cubans, and Venezuelans in LEGALLY? yes. Trump did the same thing with (whites only) South Afrikaners. Too many people confuse border encounters, which is an event, as meaning the number of people let in illegally. They are two differing things. Jesus was a displaced immigrant.

GoldenBoy89 · Wednesday at 12:10 PM

I’m not in favor of illegal immigration. That said, people who’ve been living and working here for at least a decade without a criminal record should be given a pathway to citizenship.

None of this however, justifies this current administration’s cruel, inhumane and deplorable approach to immigration enforcement.

Say it aint so · Wednesday at 12:18 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
I’m not in favor of illegal immigration. That said, people who’ve been living and working here for at least a decade without a criminal record should be given a pathway to citizenship.

None of this however, justifies this current administration’s cruel, inhumane and deplorable approach to immigration enforcement.

Whether it be marriage to an American, or just going through the long process of becoming an American, those people doing the right thing the right way are still be deported because, "ah ha, yes you're going through the process but you're not a citizen yet" and we have a 3,000 per day quota.

HARK! · Wednesday at 12:19 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
I’m not in favor of illegal immigration. That said, people who’ve been living and working here for at least a decade without a criminal record should be given a pathway to citizenship.

They have that pathway.

By trying to bypass that path by, breaking in illegally, they put that path in jeopardy.

Are you suggesting that those who have continued to break the law over a long period of time should get special treatment over newbie law breakers?

GoldenBoy89 said:
None of this however, justifies this current administration’s cruel, inhumane and deplorable approach to immigration enforcement.

Do you mean enforcing the laws on the books?

HARK! · Wednesday at 12:35 PM

Say it aint so said:
we have a 3,000 per day quota

Too few to deport the millions, in a reasonable amount of time, that the Biden Administration allowed to violate our laws.

We need to ramp it up IMO.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 12:38 PM

HARK! said:
They have that pathway.

By trying to bypass that path by, breaking in illegally, they put that path in jeopardy.

Are you suggesting that those who have continued to break the law over a long period of time should get special treatment over newbie law breakers?

Do you mean enforcing the laws on the books?

What is the long term solution?

For instance, if President Trump were to deport all 15 million undocumented immigrants by January 2029, what would be the subsequent steps?

The next president and Congress may choose not to continue President Trump’s policies and instead implement those of President Biden. Is the nation destined to reverse course every four years, with each administration enacting contrasting immigration policies—such as Democrats favoring more open borders and Republicans focusing on deportation and border security? What permanent, long-term solution can be established to ensure consistent and effective border management regardless of changes in administration?

Vambram · Wednesday at 12:42 PM

Say it aint so said:
Biden was not letting people come in illegally. Did he open the asylum process allowing groups like Haitians, Ukrainians, Cubans, and Venezuelans in LEGALLY? yes. Trump did the same thing with (whites only) South Afrikaners. Too many people confuse border encounters, which is an event, as meaning the number of people let in illegally. They are two differing things. Jesus was a displaced immigrant.

There's far too much incorrect information in that post.

Vambram · Wednesday at 12:43 PM

BeckyJ said:
The US isn't the only country with immigration laws.
Some other countries that have immigration laws are: United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Germany, Norway, Hungary, Japan and France.
Some countries immigration laws are more strict than in the US and some are less strict. Either way, there are entrance laws in various countries.
If I go into one of these countries illegally, I can expect to be deported. So I have no problem that the US is deporting illegal entrants.
I have several friends who came to the US the legal way. None of them support the illegal entry the Biden administration allowed and yes, some are democrat.
If you come here legally, you're welcome here
Note: Even God has an entrance requirement. No one will be able to get into Heaven without meeting that requirement.

Are you ok with millions of illegal entrants the Biden administration let in during his 4 yr term...or should they be deported?

The millions of illegal immigrants should be deported.

Say it aint so · Wednesday at 12:49 PM

HARK! said:
Too few to deport the millions, in a reasonable amount of time, that the Biden Administration allowed to violate our laws.

We need to ramp it up IMO.

how many people are here illegally and how long have they been here?

Say it aint so · Wednesday at 12:53 PM

Vambram said:
There's far too much incorrect information in that post.

Pick one.

Always in His Presence · Wednesday at 1:12 PM

Say it aint so said:
how many people are here illegally and how long have they been here?

Do you want them listed alphabetically or chronologically?

HARK! · Wednesday at 1:14 PM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
What is the long term solution?

For instance, if President Trump were to deport all 15 million undocumented immigrants by January 2029, what would be the subsequent steps?

The next president and Congress may choose not to continue President Trump’s policies and instead implement those of President Biden. Is the nation destined to reverse course every four years, with each administration enacting contrasting immigration policies—such as Democrats favoring more open borders and Republicans focusing on deportation and border security? What permanent, long-term solution can be established to ensure consistent and effective border management regardless of changes in administration?

The laws are already on the books. You pose an intriguing question. How do we address an Administration that is derelict in their duty to uphold the law, and protect the American people?

Maria Billingsley · Wednesday at 1:16 PM

HARK! said:
Are you quoting the "Old Covenant" Law?

Is obedience to the Torah still a requirement to enter Yah's kingdom?

By the way, the word is גר. Do you know what a גר is? "Foreigner" is a very poor translation.

Happy to point out that Jesus Christ of Nazareth confirmed this in the new testament. Im affraid you're just not going to be able to get around it, " Love".

Matthew 25:35, 40:
"For I was a stranger and you welcomed me...Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."

GoldenBoy89 · Wednesday at 1:17 PM

HARK! said:
Are you suggesting that those who have continued to break the law over a long period of time should get special treatment over newbie law breakers?

No special treatment. Just a program that eventually gets them vetted and either on a pathway to full citizenship or deportation if they don’t meet certain criteria. Things like having and holding a job, a clean background, a family, spouse or kids who were born here. Basically if they’re an upstanding citizen in every way except for their legal status then we should give them a pathway to citizenship.

HARK! said:
Do you mean enforcing the laws on the books?

No. There’s no law that says they have to be as cruel as they’re going about it now.

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